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Microsoft names Visual Studio 2010 dates

13 points by blazzerbg 17y ago

gaius 17y ago
I am excited by this. The article doesn't mention it, but VS 2010 is a game-changer. ML goes mainstream. Let rock_mode=on in...
- StrawberryFrog 17y ago
  ML goes mainstream You're referring to official support for F#, a functional language derived from ML?
- ilyak 17y ago
  Scala is funnier and is readily available.
  - gaius 17y ago
    If IBM or Oracle announced their official commitment to Scala, that would be a comparable scenario. It's not just F#, which has been available for a while now. It's that it's now a first-class citizen in all respects.
    - ilyak 17y ago
      Is it you who are writing the program or "IBM or Oracle"?
      - gaius 17y ago
        The technology I can use for real work is to a certain extent dictated by what is acceptable to the organization. Backing from a major vendor goes a long way towards assuring that.
        ilyak 17y ago
        Was Perl backed by a major vendor? MySQL? FreeBSD? If it's already backed by a major version, you're already late. So slow.
  - deleted 17y ago
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- ScottWhigham 17y ago
  In what ways is it a "game changer"? Maybe I'm missing something - it has a few new things but I don't see anything game changing.
  - jcl 17y ago
    I think the implication is that any languages built into Visual Studio get an automatic stamp of approval from corporate management, which is why we get millions of lines of code written in C# and VB.net and not, say, Boo or IronPython. Thus, F# will have something previous ML dialects do not: mainstream credibility. Of course, one could make the same argument for J# -- which shipped in Visual Studio but is now being discontinued for lack of popularity.
    - gaius 17y ago
      Exactly. Credibility + access to all the .NET libraries. The question now is, why not use it? Esp. if you're already using LINQ.
  - danek 17y ago
    historical debugger
- pcestrada 17y ago
  Are we going to see "Oslo" their new modeling language in VS2010?
nickpp 17y ago
What happened to the Standard Edition?
- gaius 17y ago
  I believe it's effectively been replaced by the free Community Edition.
  - nickpp 17y ago
    Do you have any more data about this? I mean, the Standard edition included an optimizing compiler, libraries like ATL and MFC, etc. Are you sure they will be free? I knew about the free Express editions but Community... never heard of it.
    - gaius 17y ago
      Sorry, I think I meant Express - got confused with Community Technical Preview. The compiler is the same I believe - it's the tools you get with it that varies between editions.

13 points by blazzerbg 17y ago

gaius 17y ago

I am excited by this. The article doesn't mention it, but VS 2010 is a game-changer. ML goes mainstream. Let rock_mode=on in...

StrawberryFrog 17y ago
ML goes mainstream You're referring to official support for F#, a functional language derived from ML?
ilyak 17y ago
Scala is funnier and is readily available.
- gaius 17y ago
  If IBM or Oracle announced their official commitment to Scala, that would be a comparable scenario. It's not just F#, which has been available for a while now. It's that it's now a first-class citizen in all respects.
  - ilyak 17y ago
    Is it you who are writing the program or "IBM or Oracle"?
    - gaius 17y ago
      The technology I can use for real work is to a certain extent dictated by what is acceptable to the organization. Backing from a major vendor goes a long way towards assuring that.
      - ilyak 17y ago
        Was Perl backed by a major vendor? MySQL? FreeBSD? If it's already backed by a major version, you're already late. So slow.
- deleted 17y ago
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ScottWhigham 17y ago
In what ways is it a "game changer"? Maybe I'm missing something - it has a few new things but I don't see anything game changing.
- jcl 17y ago
  I think the implication is that any languages built into Visual Studio get an automatic stamp of approval from corporate management, which is why we get millions of lines of code written in C# and VB.net and not, say, Boo or IronPython. Thus, F# will have something previous ML dialects do not: mainstream credibility. Of course, one could make the same argument for J# -- which shipped in Visual Studio but is now being discontinued for lack of popularity.
  - gaius 17y ago
    Exactly. Credibility + access to all the .NET libraries. The question now is, why not use it? Esp. if you're already using LINQ.
- danek 17y ago
  historical debugger
pcestrada 17y ago
Are we going to see "Oslo" their new modeling language in VS2010?

nickpp 17y ago

What happened to the Standard Edition?

gaius 17y ago
I believe it's effectively been replaced by the free Community Edition.
- nickpp 17y ago
  Do you have any more data about this? I mean, the Standard edition included an optimizing compiler, libraries like ATL and MFC, etc. Are you sure they will be free? I knew about the free Express editions but Community... never heard of it.
  - gaius 17y ago
    Sorry, I think I meant Express - got confused with Community Technical Preview. The compiler is the same I believe - it's the tools you get with it that varies between editions.