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Should be reflected in the title, if possible, neh?

by EvaK_de 12y ago

lmm 12y ago
Cool example, but I think "ne" is the "correct" way to romanize ね.
- mrob 12y ago
  If it's intended to be a romanization of ね, then yes, "ne" is more common. Alternatively it could be a reference to Ender's Game, where "neh" is used in the same way.
  - EvaK_de 12y ago
    Thanks for bringing back to my mind where I snatched this one up! Yep, it's Ender's Game. :) What is the meaning of the Chinese (?) symbol?
    - lmm 12y ago
      Japanese; you put it on the end of a statement to make it a question instead, e.g. "the server is up to date, ne?" to mean "is the server up to date?"
      - bmn_ 12y ago
        That's incorrect, that interrogation particle (for making the question in your example) is か. ね is different.
        sosborn 12y ago
        ね is the colloquial way of turning a statement into a question.
    - detaro 12y ago
      It's a japanese character (from hiragana script), and AFAIK used like this it means something like "isn't it?"/"shouldn't it?".
    - bmn_ 12y ago
      http://enwp.org/ね http://enwp.org/ね
    - mrob 12y ago
      It's a Japanese sentence ending, used to seek agreement/confirmation. Similar to "right?" or "isn't it?" in English.
      - Symbiote 12y ago
        The Chinese sentence ending is 呢 (ne in Mandarin), it would be interesting to know if that's related. (I've just started learning Mandarin, and enjoy looking at the origin of words and characters.) "Innit" is slang in Britain, used at the end of a sentence. It doesn't have to mean "isn't it", but could be "aren't you", "won't you" etc.
- blywi 12y ago
  Could also be from German, although this would also be written ne instead of neh. People from the northern part of Germany use this in pretty much the same way it is used in Japanese (at least according to what I know with my limited knowledge of Japanese) I always thought of this as a strange quirk that the same language construct can evolve in two unrelated languages. It's just like parallel evolution in biology.
  - schoen 12y ago
    There's also Brazilian Portuguese "né", which is an end-of-sentence tag with exactly the same meaning. It's a contraction of "não é" ('isn't it') and is used in a way akin to German "nicht wahr".
    - weinzierl 12y ago
      Also "isso" which in German is colloquial for "Ist so" and means "That's it" or "Exactly". When in Brazil I always found it funny that they use "isso", short for "isso mesmo", in much the same way.
      - schoen 12y ago
        It's funny to think that the conversation fragment - ... Né? - Isso. could happen in either Brazil or Germany with the same meaning. :-)
    - kevin_thibedeau 12y ago
      Could this have been influenced by the Japanese colonists in the São Paulo region?
    - Yen 12y ago
      Which, incidentally, is almost certainly where the usage in Ender's Game comes from. The author (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card) spent two years in Brazil on a religious mission, and there's multiple other Portuguese references in that book. (This influence is even stronger in "Ender's Game"'s sequel, "Speaker for the Dead")

Should be reflected in the title, if possible, neh?

by EvaK_de 12y ago

Should be reflected in the title, if possible, neh?

lmm 12y ago

Cool example, but I think "ne" is the "correct" way to romanize ね.

mrob 12y ago
If it's intended to be a romanization of ね, then yes, "ne" is more common. Alternatively it could be a reference to Ender's Game, where "neh" is used in the same way.
- EvaK_de 12y ago
  Thanks for bringing back to my mind where I snatched this one up! Yep, it's Ender's Game. :) What is the meaning of the Chinese (?) symbol?
  - lmm 12y ago
    Japanese; you put it on the end of a statement to make it a question instead, e.g. "the server is up to date, ne?" to mean "is the server up to date?"
    - bmn_ 12y ago
      That's incorrect, that interrogation particle (for making the question in your example) is か. ね is different.
      - sosborn 12y ago
        ね is the colloquial way of turning a statement into a question.
  - detaro 12y ago
    It's a japanese character (from hiragana script), and AFAIK used like this it means something like "isn't it?"/"shouldn't it?".
  - bmn_ 12y ago
    http://enwp.org/ね http://enwp.org/ね
  - mrob 12y ago
    It's a Japanese sentence ending, used to seek agreement/confirmation. Similar to "right?" or "isn't it?" in English.
    - Symbiote 12y ago
      The Chinese sentence ending is 呢 (ne in Mandarin), it would be interesting to know if that's related. (I've just started learning Mandarin, and enjoy looking at the origin of words and characters.) "Innit" is slang in Britain, used at the end of a sentence. It doesn't have to mean "isn't it", but could be "aren't you", "won't you" etc.
blywi 12y ago
Could also be from German, although this would also be written ne instead of neh. People from the northern part of Germany use this in pretty much the same way it is used in Japanese (at least according to what I know with my limited knowledge of Japanese) I always thought of this as a strange quirk that the same language construct can evolve in two unrelated languages. It's just like parallel evolution in biology.
- schoen 12y ago
  There's also Brazilian Portuguese "né", which is an end-of-sentence tag with exactly the same meaning. It's a contraction of "não é" ('isn't it') and is used in a way akin to German "nicht wahr".
  - weinzierl 12y ago
    Also "isso" which in German is colloquial for "Ist so" and means "That's it" or "Exactly". When in Brazil I always found it funny that they use "isso", short for "isso mesmo", in much the same way.
    - schoen 12y ago
      It's funny to think that the conversation fragment - ... Né? - Isso. could happen in either Brazil or Germany with the same meaning. :-)
  - kevin_thibedeau 12y ago
    Could this have been influenced by the Japanese colonists in the São Paulo region?
  - Yen 12y ago
    Which, incidentally, is almost certainly where the usage in Ender's Game comes from. The author (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card) spent two years in Brazil on a religious mission, and there's multiple other Portuguese references in that book. (This influence is even stronger in "Ender's Game"'s sequel, "Speaker for the Dead")