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Interesting article, glad the operation was successful. The most interesting part of the article is not the advance in technology (nothing new, we've been usin

by jepper 12y ago

Interesting article, glad the operation was successful. The most interesting part of the article is not the advance in technology (nothing new, we've been using 3d prints as models for complicated fractures / bone tumours or even custom prostheses for years (academic centre)) but the low use rate of this technology by most hospitals. The trick with overlaying follow-up scans is called image fusion and is easy and can be done by one-click applications (for example http://www.blackfordanalysis.com/ http://www.blackfordanalysis.com/) but outside of lung noduli i know of little clinical use. I've seen these types of mistake made before and trying to introduce it locally. Image fusion is also an awesome surgical procedure analysis tool (both for research and clinical applications), complimentary to the standard PA examination. The patient education part is enormously helpful in practice. Cost per patient is however still high quite high for large models. For example a cardiac tumor model was printed with transparent plastic for around 500e. Our bone models luckily are a lot cheaper (non-clear plastic). When the price comes down i hope acceptance will improve.

emcrazyone 12y ago
@jepper I agree with your comments and to add to what you said, what really stuck out for me was how receptive the doctors were to his analysis. I didn't pick up any kind of resistance by the medical professionals to this guy's analysis. Also, I have a chronic condition and this comment from the article is just so true. "Scott’s recent thyroid surgery had taught them that getting the best care requires being proactive and extremely well informed. "
- djokkataja 12y ago
  The article did mention that he contacted a number of doctors around the country, and it didn't sound like he had a horde of them competing over who would have the opportunity to perform the operation, just the one guy at UPMC. Plus since he had done a lot of research and "shopping around" for the thyroid procedure previously, he probably had a good idea of how to navigate the medical system to do this sort of thing.
jarvic 12y ago
>The trick with overlaying follow-up scans is called image fusion and is easy and can be done by one-click applications Just wanted to point out that image fusion is far from easy. The brain is easier than most areas of the body because the skull provides a good basis for performing a registration, but even then the brain has some small room to shift and you can't get a perfect alignment with only rigid transformations, especially when you're dealing with tumors. For most other parts of the body you have complications like organs shifting around, gas passing through the digestive system, patients being in slightly different orientations, etc. In these cases you most definitely need to use some kind of deformable registration, which is far from a solved problem, especially when you have things like tumors changing shape/size or even appearing from nowhere from one scan to the next.
- jepper 12y ago
  Yes it was a bit of a generalization, but i mean the practical use of the tool. The technology behind it is wonderful! For my specialty its relatively easy (bone being a rigid body). But this type of software already works quite well for lung, liver etc. With careful manual alignment it can work for soft tissue sarcoma (muscle) and other types of more movable tissue, providing a quick overview. Volume measurement is also an option. But as you say its always complimentary to standard workflow.
  - jarvic 12y ago
    Yeah, I wasn't trying to be disagreeable, just pointing out that this is a very active area of research still, and there is always room for improvement. I work mostly with segmentation and shape analysis instead of registration, but I am involved with a project on multi-modal image fusion, which is even harder (and more interesting).
    - tjradcliffe 12y ago
      I've done a lot of work on multi-modal registration and would be interested in talking to you about this. It's an amazingly hard problem and I see a lot of wheels being reinvented whenever I look at what other people are doing. My own work has been mostly commercial and so under NDA or otherwise unpublishable, but is primarily based on applications of the pseudo-correlation algorithm (Radcliffe, Rajapakshe, Shalev, Medical Physics, vol. 21, No. 6, pp. 761 769, June 1994.) I can be reached at tradcliffe at predictivepatterns.com if you're interested.

by jepper 12y ago

emcrazyone 12y ago

@jepper I agree with your comments and to add to what you said, what really stuck out for me was how receptive the doctors were to his analysis. I didn't pick up any kind of resistance by the medical professionals to this guy's analysis. Also, I have a chronic condition and this comment from the article is just so true. "Scott’s recent thyroid surgery had taught them that getting the best care requires being proactive and extremely well informed. "

djokkataja 12y ago
The article did mention that he contacted a number of doctors around the country, and it didn't sound like he had a horde of them competing over who would have the opportunity to perform the operation, just the one guy at UPMC. Plus since he had done a lot of research and "shopping around" for the thyroid procedure previously, he probably had a good idea of how to navigate the medical system to do this sort of thing.

jarvic 12y ago

>The trick with overlaying follow-up scans is called image fusion and is easy and can be done by one-click applications Just wanted to point out that image fusion is far from easy. The brain is easier than most areas of the body because the skull provides a good basis for performing a registration, but even then the brain has some small room to shift and you can't get a perfect alignment with only rigid transformations, especially when you're dealing with tumors. For most other parts of the body you have complications like organs shifting around, gas passing through the digestive system, patients being in slightly different orientations, etc. In these cases you most definitely need to use some kind of deformable registration, which is far from a solved problem, especially when you have things like tumors changing shape/size or even appearing from nowhere from one scan to the next.

jepper 12y ago
Yes it was a bit of a generalization, but i mean the practical use of the tool. The technology behind it is wonderful! For my specialty its relatively easy (bone being a rigid body). But this type of software already works quite well for lung, liver etc. With careful manual alignment it can work for soft tissue sarcoma (muscle) and other types of more movable tissue, providing a quick overview. Volume measurement is also an option. But as you say its always complimentary to standard workflow.
- jarvic 12y ago
  Yeah, I wasn't trying to be disagreeable, just pointing out that this is a very active area of research still, and there is always room for improvement. I work mostly with segmentation and shape analysis instead of registration, but I am involved with a project on multi-modal image fusion, which is even harder (and more interesting).
  - tjradcliffe 12y ago
    I've done a lot of work on multi-modal registration and would be interested in talking to you about this. It's an amazingly hard problem and I see a lot of wheels being reinvented whenever I look at what other people are doing. My own work has been mostly commercial and so under NDA or otherwise unpublishable, but is primarily based on applications of the pseudo-correlation algorithm (Radcliffe, Rajapakshe, Shalev, Medical Physics, vol. 21, No. 6, pp. 761 769, June 1994.) I can be reached at tradcliffe at predictivepatterns.com if you're interested.