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A Muslim here. > the moderate muslims are often rather quiet. Yes we are. But there are a few reasons for that: 1- First, Muslims can't be put in one group,

by Jayd2014 12y ago

A Muslim here. > the moderate muslims are often rather quiet. Yes we are. But there are a few reasons for that: 1- First, Muslims can't be put in one group, there is 1.6 billion muslims worldwide with hundreds of different views and levels of tolerance. 2- Most of them don't have time or are too busy with their daily life. Think about the % of people who go vote every four years in a democracy. 30% maybe 50% at max vote, the rest can't be bothered because they are busy with their daily problems. Add to that that most Muslims live in a third world country, so they have enough problems already. 3- The first people affected by terrorism in term of body counts and extremism in general are Muslims themselves. Did you know for example that ISIS consider the previous president of egypt (Mursi) who is from the muslim brotherhood to be an infidel who need to be killed. 4- People in Muslim countries are getting numb to all this news reports because they are used to it. I remember when I was a kid watching Arab TV news showing people dying in Palestine and at one time the TV commentator laughed. She then said she was sorry and she didn't mean to laugh at what was happening. Most Arabs/Muslim who care about what's going on the Middle East have already watched too much death to react to it. 5- Some people do want to go to the street and demonstrate against this blood shed but they are not allowed by their local governments. They fear that this could turn in a revolt. Arab spring says hi. 6- There have been hundreds if not thousands of condemnation an protests by muslims all over the world but the media don't cover them much because they don't fit the narrative of evil muslims. Me as a Muslim I'm ashamed of what is happening and wish this Scumbugs are captured and put to justice. I see to much politic invested in terrorism that I know it's about power not about religion. I also do believe we muslims failed big time to adapt to the 21st century and need to wake up and get our acts together. I'm really sorry for the families of the victims and I hope they capture the scums who did this. There was an interesting discussion on reddit about this: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2rmmx8/eli5_if_most_muslims_disagree_with_the_actions_of/ http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2rmmx8/el...

waps 12y ago
The problem is that the terrorists are right about islam. So what do you think about your prophet doing the same ? Are you also ashamed of that ? He had the mother of 5 children murdered for opposing him. As you (should) know, this is far from the only instance of such action by "the prophet". I am sorry but unless you wholeheartedly condemn this kind of killing, whoever did it, your gesture means little. If you don't condemn your prophet, when is killing for insults allowed and when is it not becomes a valid question. To put it bluntly : if you don't condemn this, you're at least somewhat of a terrorist supporter. If you do, how can you be a muslim (given what the daily prayer says, mohamed could not have done anything wrong, plus you'd be lying when you say that prayer). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan Allow me to put up the full actions of the prophet : Upon hearing the poem, Muhammad then called for her death in turn, saying "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" Umayr bin Adiy al-Khatmi, a blind man belonging to the same tribe as Asma’s husband (i.e., Banu Khatma) responded that he would. He crept into her room in the dark of night where she was sleeping with her five children, her infant child close to her bosom. Umayr removed the child from Asma's breast and killed her. This is far from the only time that muhammad did this sort of thing, and this is part of the "canon" of islam. It is also law in over 50 countries. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan (but if you doubt the quote, just type it into Google)
- Jayd2014 12y ago
  Well since you are asking about typing it in google. I actually did. Here is what comes as an answer from the muslim side[1]: A member on my blog, brother "zulfiqarchucknorris", sent me the following information: Peace Dear Osama Abdullah I would like to inform you that on the many articles about the "poet killings" (specifically asma bint marwan) you fail to to include why the asma bint marwan chain for ibn saad is weak, although the ibn ishaq version is fully explained. I'll give you the explanasion: (copied from wikipedia, scroll toward the middle of the page) Al-Albani declared Ibn Sa'd's chain of transmission to be weak as well, as it includes Al-Waqidi:[2] Ibn Sa'd → Al-Waqidi → 'Abd Allah ibn al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl → Al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl Al-Waqidi has been condemned as an untrustworthy narrator and has been frequently and severely criticized by scholars, thus his narrations have been abandoned by the majority of hadith scholars.[3] Yahya ibn Ma'een said: "Al-Waqidi narrated 20,000 false hadith about the prophet". Al-Shafi'i, Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Al-Albani[2] said: "Al-Waqidi is a liar" while Al-Bukhari said he didn't include a single letter by Al-Waqidi in his hadith works. In addition, this isnad is discontinued (muʻḍal) as Al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl never met any of Muhammad's companions.[3] 2 is al waqidi 3 is ibn hisham [1]http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/forgeries_about_killing.htm http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/forgeries_about_... Copy pasting doesn't help anyone. I'd rather have it that you go to someone who is an expert on this field, do your research and ask him/her what's bugging you.
  - waps 12y ago
    And does this answer satisfy you ? Answering-christianity (the site) is full of these sorts of answers. Most are similar to this one. The technical answer to this reply is, firstly, that the same story is told by different narrators, not just the one mentioned. This is, of course, conveniently left out from the reponse you posted. But if you're not a muslim, the answer is that this is part of the islamic canon. It's also part of sharia. It's part of the law in >50 islamic countries. If the argument held any water this would not be true. > Copy pasting doesn't help anyone. I'd rather have it that you go to someone who is an expert on this field, do your research and ask him/her what's bugging you. Sorry I was trained in exact sciences, and I have family that's in history (with focus on religious history). I believe in first sources' authority over people's authority.

waps 12y ago

The problem is that the terrorists are right about islam. So what do you think about your prophet doing the same ? Are you also ashamed of that ? He had the mother of 5 children murdered for opposing him. As you (should) know, this is far from the only instance of such action by "the prophet". I am sorry but unless you wholeheartedly condemn this kind of killing, whoever did it, your gesture means little. If you don't condemn your prophet, when is killing for insults allowed and when is it not becomes a valid question. To put it bluntly : if you don't condemn this, you're at least somewhat of a terrorist supporter. If you do, how can you be a muslim (given what the daily prayer says, mohamed could not have done anything wrong, plus you'd be lying when you say that prayer). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan Allow me to put up the full actions of the prophet : Upon hearing the poem, Muhammad then called for her death in turn, saying "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" Umayr bin Adiy al-Khatmi, a blind man belonging to the same tribe as Asma’s husband (i.e., Banu Khatma) responded that he would. He crept into her room in the dark of night where she was sleeping with her five children, her infant child close to her bosom. Umayr removed the child from Asma's breast and killed her. This is far from the only time that muhammad did this sort of thing, and this is part of the "canon" of islam. It is also law in over 50 countries. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan (but if you doubt the quote, just type it into Google)

Jayd2014 12y ago
Well since you are asking about typing it in google. I actually did. Here is what comes as an answer from the muslim side[1]: A member on my blog, brother "zulfiqarchucknorris", sent me the following information: Peace Dear Osama Abdullah I would like to inform you that on the many articles about the "poet killings" (specifically asma bint marwan) you fail to to include why the asma bint marwan chain for ibn saad is weak, although the ibn ishaq version is fully explained. I'll give you the explanasion: (copied from wikipedia, scroll toward the middle of the page) Al-Albani declared Ibn Sa'd's chain of transmission to be weak as well, as it includes Al-Waqidi:[2] Ibn Sa'd → Al-Waqidi → 'Abd Allah ibn al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl → Al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl Al-Waqidi has been condemned as an untrustworthy narrator and has been frequently and severely criticized by scholars, thus his narrations have been abandoned by the majority of hadith scholars.[3] Yahya ibn Ma'een said: "Al-Waqidi narrated 20,000 false hadith about the prophet". Al-Shafi'i, Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Al-Albani[2] said: "Al-Waqidi is a liar" while Al-Bukhari said he didn't include a single letter by Al-Waqidi in his hadith works. In addition, this isnad is discontinued (muʻḍal) as Al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl never met any of Muhammad's companions.[3] 2 is al waqidi 3 is ibn hisham [1]http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/forgeries_about_killing.htm http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/forgeries_about_... Copy pasting doesn't help anyone. I'd rather have it that you go to someone who is an expert on this field, do your research and ask him/her what's bugging you.
- waps 12y ago
  And does this answer satisfy you ? Answering-christianity (the site) is full of these sorts of answers. Most are similar to this one. The technical answer to this reply is, firstly, that the same story is told by different narrators, not just the one mentioned. This is, of course, conveniently left out from the reponse you posted. But if you're not a muslim, the answer is that this is part of the islamic canon. It's also part of sharia. It's part of the law in >50 islamic countries. If the argument held any water this would not be true. > Copy pasting doesn't help anyone. I'd rather have it that you go to someone who is an expert on this field, do your research and ask him/her what's bugging you. Sorry I was trained in exact sciences, and I have family that's in history (with focus on religious history). I believe in first sources' authority over people's authority.