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> it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise". I'm actually still in school. So, I tend to muse over learni

by axotty 12y ago

> it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise". I'm actually still in school. So, I tend to muse over learning a lot of different things. Your life story was really neat though ;)

unclebucknasty 12y ago
Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" and (other?) in school nowadays. Back in my day, you'd come out with a solid foundation, equipped to make those choices. Hey, another perspective thing. Fancy that! But, I'd say, yeah...get you some "enterprise" while you're there, especially if they're offering it for the same price. ;) Glad you enjoyed my life story. Happy to share.
- axotty 12y ago
  > I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" I never said that. The GP was specifically talking about enterprise Java and .NET, which was what I meant. I guess I was being overly terse, I apologize. My phrasing seems to have bothered you. Doctors recommend people your age nap frequently to avoid these kinds of passive aggressive mood swings. You'll be just fine in the morning. Good luck!
  - hammerdr 12y ago
    I certainly did not read that unclebucknasty was bothered by your phrasing, but rather was sharing a story and encouraging you to branch out into some "not cool" tech that could support you in possible bubble-burst future. New suggestion, though. You should spend your time in school learning how to remove your prejudice. It's pretty bad, and will hold you back more than not learning a particular language will. P.S. Just to be clear, I was bothered by your ageism.
  - Zvory 12y ago
    Weow that's pretty passive aggressive and toxic, maybe you should check yourself before that attitude hurts you.
  - binarysolo 12y ago
    Just take the correction, apologize, and move on; there's no utility for trying to "win" the conversation and as others pointed out you really took it more personally than needed. Knowing how to be graceful will spare you a lot of future pain in your career as well as your social life.
    - axotty 12y ago
      Point taken. At risk of being further downmodded, I have to say that I don't consider myself to be very graceful. I'm not sure how much I can change that (I find fake personalities exhausting). However, the way you phrased your criticism was very polite, yet firm. It drove your point home in a self evident kind of way. It's got me thinking and I appreciate that.
      - HeyLaughingBoy 12y ago
        If you'll listen to another old guy who wouldn't mind a nap: There's a world of difference between having a fake personality and learning to politely and gracefully interact with others even when you really don't want to. Those skills are far, far more important than anything technical you will learn in your CS classes.
        axotty 12y ago
        Yes, and then there's that sweet spot you find when you're walking the fine line between being polite and being patronizing. That perfectly guised condescension with a rich aroma of political correctness that still delivers the intentional underlying message. That's the real skill to master, especially amongst the smug closeted egomaniacs in the programming world. But as a normally blunt person, it all seems a little silly(and very insincere) to me.
        irishcoffee 12y ago
        You ever read The Catcher in the Rye? I'd suggest reading it. The protagonist struggles with "fake" throughout the whole book. Might give you some perspective. Theres nothing wrong with being a bit blunt and direct, ageism is well beyond that threshold.

by axotty 12y ago

unclebucknasty 12y ago

Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" and (other?) in school nowadays. Back in my day, you'd come out with a solid foundation, equipped to make those choices. Hey, another perspective thing. Fancy that! But, I'd say, yeah...get you some "enterprise" while you're there, especially if they're offering it for the same price. ;) Glad you enjoyed my life story. Happy to share.

axotty 12y ago
> I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" I never said that. The GP was specifically talking about enterprise Java and .NET, which was what I meant. I guess I was being overly terse, I apologize. My phrasing seems to have bothered you. Doctors recommend people your age nap frequently to avoid these kinds of passive aggressive mood swings. You'll be just fine in the morning. Good luck!
- hammerdr 12y ago
  I certainly did not read that unclebucknasty was bothered by your phrasing, but rather was sharing a story and encouraging you to branch out into some "not cool" tech that could support you in possible bubble-burst future. New suggestion, though. You should spend your time in school learning how to remove your prejudice. It's pretty bad, and will hold you back more than not learning a particular language will. P.S. Just to be clear, I was bothered by your ageism.
- Zvory 12y ago
  Weow that's pretty passive aggressive and toxic, maybe you should check yourself before that attitude hurts you.
- binarysolo 12y ago
  Just take the correction, apologize, and move on; there's no utility for trying to "win" the conversation and as others pointed out you really took it more personally than needed. Knowing how to be graceful will spare you a lot of future pain in your career as well as your social life.
  - axotty 12y ago
    Point taken. At risk of being further downmodded, I have to say that I don't consider myself to be very graceful. I'm not sure how much I can change that (I find fake personalities exhausting). However, the way you phrased your criticism was very polite, yet firm. It drove your point home in a self evident kind of way. It's got me thinking and I appreciate that.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 12y ago
      If you'll listen to another old guy who wouldn't mind a nap: There's a world of difference between having a fake personality and learning to politely and gracefully interact with others even when you really don't want to. Those skills are far, far more important than anything technical you will learn in your CS classes.
      - axotty 12y ago
        Yes, and then there's that sweet spot you find when you're walking the fine line between being polite and being patronizing. That perfectly guised condescension with a rich aroma of political correctness that still delivers the intentional underlying message. That's the real skill to master, especially amongst the smug closeted egomaniacs in the programming world. But as a normally blunt person, it all seems a little silly(and very insincere) to me.
        irishcoffee 12y ago
        You ever read The Catcher in the Rye? I'd suggest reading it. The protagonist struggles with "fake" throughout the whole book. Might give you some perspective. Theres nothing wrong with being a bit blunt and direct, ageism is well beyond that threshold.