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Man. As a Parisian, I don't know what to think of this. Our public transport is quite good, but there's pretty much nothing running at night, apart for Taxis, a

Man. As a Parisian, I don't know what to think of this. Our public transport is quite good, but there's pretty much nothing running at night, apart for Taxis, and Parisian taxis are a rip off. France can be quite reactionary when it comes to think like this, and it's a shame. Wish they'd thought of ways to incorporate this technology and democratise the system as opposed to a good old knee-jerk.

malka 12y ago
As a french, I wonder how this law will affect other car pooling services, such as blablacar. I use them quite frequently to move, as it's a lot cheaper than train, and you can chat with the driver.
- majestic1211 12y ago
  Blablacar will not be affected by the law, because it is carpooling. You're not paying for a service, you're sharing the cost of the ride.
  - malka 12y ago
    Most of blablacar drivers do not respect the law regarding this. The rules for computing the cost of a ride are fairly rigid. For instance, the toll price cannot be taken into account. Here are the rules : http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.net/faq/4835-bareme-kilometrique-2014-2015 http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.net/faq/4835-bareme-ki...
- aikah 12y ago
  Well,the difference is ride-sharing is more or less tolerated,if it's not for profit. Very few people offering shared rides make money out of it.It's usually paid,because it's more about sharing expenditure. UberPop,on the other hand,is a private taxi service.It's not about someone saying he goes to Nantes and has room for 4 people,for a 15€ fee. Given the price of the train,the development of ride sharing and inter region bus travelling(which was still illegal a few years ago),is a good thing. I cant believe how insanely expensive the train is today.The SNCF also stopped providing a lot of services (low cost train,stations,...)they deemed not profitable enough just to push for the high speed rail.in 2005,you could do Paris-Nantes for 15€. It took 4 hours,but who cares. Today,it's 50 up to 100€ + if you dare book a trip on the same day you're travelling.
  - Jacqued 12y ago
    Ride-sharing is not tolerated, it's specifically authorized by law - with a legal framework to make it viable. What's more or less tolerated (for now) is some ride-sharing drivers inflating prices above the legal limit to make a small buck.
  - wutbrodo 12y ago
    > inter region bus travelling(which was still illegal a few years ago) Wait, this was illegal? Wtf, why?
- agumonkey 12y ago
  Since there is no traditional long distance car service threatened by it (the SNCF isn't worried for the moment), I'd say blablacar is safe. ps: music band tribute username ?
  - malka 12y ago
    True that they don't annoy any powerful union, or company. (nope, Vampire the Masquerade tribute username ;) )
  - julien_c 12y ago
    I would say that the SNCF actually is worried by Blablacar and other companies. See their extensive PR campaigns about their own (inferior) ride-sharing services.
    - agumonkey 12y ago
      Ha, I'm too disconnected, I never saw these services. 'idvroom' name doesn't ring much but time will tell. They fishing for low hanging fruits, they have other problems to deal with instead...
motdiem 12y ago
I use Uber in Paris - I've always wondered what the insurance was for Uberpop - and although outright banning it may be too extreme, I'm happy to see this part of the "sharing" economy more regulated. I think Uber still has a lot going for it specifically in Paris: convenience, accepting credit cards, etc, without having to skirt around the law...
meddlepal 12y ago
Why doesn't the Metro run later in Paris? If I remember correctly from my last visit there around 2005 the Metro shutdown at 1 or 2AM. Maintenance? Cost? Politics? All of the above? It seems odd for a truly world-class city such as Paris to not have a 24/7 subway system.
- thrillgore 12y ago
  I'm guessing the cost of staff factors into it. Some Paris Metro lines are ATO, but still operator run. I can't speak to the SNCF lines, but I imagine since they're prone to striking...
  - martinald 12y ago
    No, it's that there is no time to do maintenance unless you have extra tracks. In NY you can close the one pair of tracks and do maintenance on the other. If you've only got dual track, then you can't do maintenance.
- martinald 12y ago
  Very few cities have 24/7 subway service. NYC is pretty much the only one I can think of. German cities generally have 24 hour service on the weekends, but not through the week.
  - minimax 12y ago
    In Chicago we have 24 hour service on the most popular subway routes (the red and blue lines). Several of the busiest bus routes are 24 hours as well.
  - _delirium 12y ago
    A few others: Chicago, Philadelphia, Copenhagen. I am a bit biased, but I think Copenhagen has the best service in that regard. Almost any main transit route runs 24/7: the metro, the 9 'A' trunk bus routes, most of the commuter-rail 'S-train' lines, and even the international 'Øresundståg' train service to Malmö. It makes a nice difference in peace of mind, because you never have to worry about being stranded anywhere.
murbard2 12y ago
After World War II, communists, who had been on the right side of the conflict, got enormous power. This eventually percolated in the education system, and now France is left with a few generations that have been force fed progressive propaganda from an early age. Combine that with a more ancient bend for Jacobinism and technocracy and you have the current situation. Very powerful unions who can lock down reform, and a population who polls to the left of Cuba in terms of political opinions. Ce pays est foutu.
- mahouse 12y ago
  If you have to choose between a conspiration of communists and jacobinists, and normal people that just disagree with you...
  - murbard2 12y ago
    Nowhere have I mentioned a conspiracy.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Communists aren't normal people?
    - mahouse 12y ago
      Not that the person I replied to was treating them as such. I'm a socialist myself so I feel sympathy for a communist, even if I don't agree with him.
      - murbard2 12y ago
        Of course they are normal people, that's what makes it terrifying. Communism killed hundred of millions of people. And yes, the French communist party supported Stalinism for a long time.
        megalodon 12y ago
renox 12y ago
> Parisian taxis are a rip off Well the system itself is broken with the taxis' licensing plates being over-valued.. One one hand I don't like much Uber, on the other hand it would have helped terminate this broken system.. But for the government it's much easier to ban Uber than to fix the system, especially since taxis can very easily disrupt Paris's overloaded roads..
- HackinOut 12y ago
  I feel the same about Uber, had some not so good experiences with UberPop but still hope it will stop those taxi licenses jokes (apparently costing 200k to 300k EUR). But I don't understand this decision since the government has to do something anyway because of the VTC (kind of taxis but they can't pick you up in the street, i.e. other Uber services. They do not need a taxi license) which have been authorized. A really good news for the poor fools who just invested in a taxi license...
oldspiceman 12y ago
Agreed, Taxi service in Paris is outrageously expensive. Rivaling Toronto even.

malka 12y ago

As a french, I wonder how this law will affect other car pooling services, such as blablacar. I use them quite frequently to move, as it's a lot cheaper than train, and you can chat with the driver.

majestic1211 12y ago
Blablacar will not be affected by the law, because it is carpooling. You're not paying for a service, you're sharing the cost of the ride.
- malka 12y ago
  Most of blablacar drivers do not respect the law regarding this. The rules for computing the cost of a ride are fairly rigid. For instance, the toll price cannot be taken into account. Here are the rules : http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.net/faq/4835-bareme-kilometrique-2014-2015 http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.net/faq/4835-bareme-ki...
aikah 12y ago
Well,the difference is ride-sharing is more or less tolerated,if it's not for profit. Very few people offering shared rides make money out of it.It's usually paid,because it's more about sharing expenditure. UberPop,on the other hand,is a private taxi service.It's not about someone saying he goes to Nantes and has room for 4 people,for a 15€ fee. Given the price of the train,the development of ride sharing and inter region bus travelling(which was still illegal a few years ago),is a good thing. I cant believe how insanely expensive the train is today.The SNCF also stopped providing a lot of services (low cost train,stations,...)they deemed not profitable enough just to push for the high speed rail.in 2005,you could do Paris-Nantes for 15€. It took 4 hours,but who cares. Today,it's 50 up to 100€ + if you dare book a trip on the same day you're travelling.
- Jacqued 12y ago
  Ride-sharing is not tolerated, it's specifically authorized by law - with a legal framework to make it viable. What's more or less tolerated (for now) is some ride-sharing drivers inflating prices above the legal limit to make a small buck.
- wutbrodo 12y ago
  > inter region bus travelling(which was still illegal a few years ago) Wait, this was illegal? Wtf, why?
agumonkey 12y ago
Since there is no traditional long distance car service threatened by it (the SNCF isn't worried for the moment), I'd say blablacar is safe. ps: music band tribute username ?
- malka 12y ago
  True that they don't annoy any powerful union, or company. (nope, Vampire the Masquerade tribute username ;) )
- julien_c 12y ago
  I would say that the SNCF actually is worried by Blablacar and other companies. See their extensive PR campaigns about their own (inferior) ride-sharing services.
  - agumonkey 12y ago
    Ha, I'm too disconnected, I never saw these services. 'idvroom' name doesn't ring much but time will tell. They fishing for low hanging fruits, they have other problems to deal with instead...

motdiem 12y ago

I use Uber in Paris - I've always wondered what the insurance was for Uberpop - and although outright banning it may be too extreme, I'm happy to see this part of the "sharing" economy more regulated. I think Uber still has a lot going for it specifically in Paris: convenience, accepting credit cards, etc, without having to skirt around the law...

meddlepal 12y ago

Why doesn't the Metro run later in Paris? If I remember correctly from my last visit there around 2005 the Metro shutdown at 1 or 2AM. Maintenance? Cost? Politics? All of the above? It seems odd for a truly world-class city such as Paris to not have a 24/7 subway system.

thrillgore 12y ago
I'm guessing the cost of staff factors into it. Some Paris Metro lines are ATO, but still operator run. I can't speak to the SNCF lines, but I imagine since they're prone to striking...
- martinald 12y ago
  No, it's that there is no time to do maintenance unless you have extra tracks. In NY you can close the one pair of tracks and do maintenance on the other. If you've only got dual track, then you can't do maintenance.
martinald 12y ago
Very few cities have 24/7 subway service. NYC is pretty much the only one I can think of. German cities generally have 24 hour service on the weekends, but not through the week.
- minimax 12y ago
  In Chicago we have 24 hour service on the most popular subway routes (the red and blue lines). Several of the busiest bus routes are 24 hours as well.
- _delirium 12y ago
  A few others: Chicago, Philadelphia, Copenhagen. I am a bit biased, but I think Copenhagen has the best service in that regard. Almost any main transit route runs 24/7: the metro, the 9 'A' trunk bus routes, most of the commuter-rail 'S-train' lines, and even the international 'Øresundståg' train service to Malmö. It makes a nice difference in peace of mind, because you never have to worry about being stranded anywhere.

murbard2 12y ago

After World War II, communists, who had been on the right side of the conflict, got enormous power. This eventually percolated in the education system, and now France is left with a few generations that have been force fed progressive propaganda from an early age. Combine that with a more ancient bend for Jacobinism and technocracy and you have the current situation. Very powerful unions who can lock down reform, and a population who polls to the left of Cuba in terms of political opinions. Ce pays est foutu.

mahouse 12y ago
If you have to choose between a conspiration of communists and jacobinists, and normal people that just disagree with you...
- murbard2 12y ago
  Nowhere have I mentioned a conspiracy.
- icebraining 12y ago
  Communists aren't normal people?
  - mahouse 12y ago
    Not that the person I replied to was treating them as such. I'm a socialist myself so I feel sympathy for a communist, even if I don't agree with him.
    - murbard2 12y ago
      Of course they are normal people, that's what makes it terrifying. Communism killed hundred of millions of people. And yes, the French communist party supported Stalinism for a long time.
      - megalodon 12y ago

renox 12y ago

> Parisian taxis are a rip off Well the system itself is broken with the taxis' licensing plates being over-valued.. One one hand I don't like much Uber, on the other hand it would have helped terminate this broken system.. But for the government it's much easier to ban Uber than to fix the system, especially since taxis can very easily disrupt Paris's overloaded roads..

HackinOut 12y ago
I feel the same about Uber, had some not so good experiences with UberPop but still hope it will stop those taxi licenses jokes (apparently costing 200k to 300k EUR). But I don't understand this decision since the government has to do something anyway because of the VTC (kind of taxis but they can't pick you up in the street, i.e. other Uber services. They do not need a taxi license) which have been authorized. A really good news for the poor fools who just invested in a taxi license...

oldspiceman 12y ago

Agreed, Taxi service in Paris is outrageously expensive. Rivaling Toronto even.