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I'm not sure it is a good news. In one hand it's great to hear that Analytics will be added and cross support is still important. But in the other hand, it pu

by woogle 12y ago

I'm not sure it is a good news. In one hand it's great to hear that Analytics will be added and cross support is still important. But in the other hand, it puts developers in inconfortable position. Should we still use HockeyApp for our iOS apps? Depend on a tool owned by a concurrent of your target platform is not so safe on a long term sight..

untog 12y ago
I'm not too worried about it. After all, MS has released Office on iOS, and partnered with Xamarin for iOS development. They'd be insane to buy HockeyApp then kill everything it has and replace it with a Windows Phone only solution. It's weird, but MS is almost one of the best large companies to do cross-platform dev with these days.
- woogle 12y ago
  I agree with that, but things may be different in 2 years. And MS is also the company that gains the most money with each Android phone sold.
  - scholia 12y ago
    Microsoft has also been providing software for Macs since 1984, when it appeared at the launch, and it generally makes more money per head from Mac users (who buy lots of copies of Windows and Office) than Windows users (roughly $45 each per 4-5 years). The only reason it would quit on iOS is if it couldn't make any money from iOS users. And the only reason it wouldn't be able to make money from iOS users would be if Apple went down in flames.
    - potatolicious 12y ago
      > "Microsoft has also been providing software for Macs since 1984, when it appeared at the launch, and it generally makes more money per head from Mac users (who buy lots of copies of Windows and Office) than Windows users (roughly $45 each per 4-5 years)." All true, but that hasn't prevented the quality of MS software on Macs from varying between first class and complete bottom of the barrel. Right now iOS/OSX seems to be enjoying high priority at Microsoft, but this hasn't always been the case, even when Macs were popular. Normally I'd say that this is all fairly inconsequential, but HockeyApp is a very core part of our development process and build system, and disentangling ourselves of it is going to be a lot more complicated than, say, swapping analytics providers. Definitely not something you can do on a dime, which makes any potential sudden moves pretty concerning. And post-acquisition startups (regardless of who acquired them) tend to be full of sudden moves...
      - scholia 12y ago
        > All true, but that hasn't prevented the quality of MS software on Macs from varying between first class and complete bottom of the barrel. Life isn't that simple. Somebody once had the idea that, to save money, the Windows version of Office could be converted for Mac OS instead of developed separately. Apple users quickly let Microsoft know that they didn't like it, and Microsoft went back to the earlier system. Meanwhile, Apple doesn't bother trying to program stuff for Windows. Its Windows programs are crap but it just ignores the cries of pain from Windows users of iTunes. > Right now iOS/OSX seems to be enjoying high priority at Microsoft, but this hasn't always been the case, even when Macs were popular. Macs have never been popular, by DOS/Windows standards, and they still represent a very small minority of the installed base. However, Microsoft understands the difference between the installed base and the actual market (ie people spending money). A Mac user who buys Windows from Microsoft is much more profitable than a Windows user who gets a bundled OEM version.
        potatolicious 12y ago
        I don't see the relevance to the point I'm making, which isn't a value judgment on Microsoft. It's apprehension because Microsoft in the past decade has been full of sudden strategic shifts and abandoned platforms. I'm mildly concerned about HockeyApp for this reason. For the most part's Microsofts wishy-washy strategy - especially when it comes to support of Apple's platforms - is fairly inconsequential. The sucky version of Office for OSX was, at the end of the day, a minimal pain. HockeyApp on the other hand is a very deeply integrated part of my development stack. I can't weather the same amount of uncertainty and sudden movement as I can some of my other tools. This makes me mildly nervous about their future.
        scholia 12y ago
        Don't agree with your perception of Microsoft's strategy, most of which makes perfect sense if you apply one simple rule: follow the money. Since HockeyApp is now part of Microsoft's cross-platform, mobile-first strategy, the main question is whether a failing HockeyApp would be more likely to survive on its own or as part of Microsoft. If it's a success, it's never going to be a problem -- or at least, not until Windows Phone/Windows 10 has a hugely dominant market share in smartphones and tablets. If that happens, I expect you'll have other things to worry about ;-)
giulianob 12y ago
Considering Microsoft's strategy lately has been to provide cross platform support, I wouldn't assume that iOS is out of the picture unless there is an announcement. Look at Microsoft Band for example, it supports iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. Also the biggest news lately was .NET going cross platform and will run on OSX and Linux.
woogle 12y ago
Why downvotes? I'm only asking questions. Yes, MS strategy is cross-plateform. Now. But in a few years, who knows what MS goals will be? IMO, taking 10 minutes to think about is not lost time.
- pbz 12y ago
  I didn't down vote, but you're not just asking questions; you're masking a statement in form of a question.
- andyjohnson0 12y ago
  Downvotes are possibly because your comment could be read as instinctively/tribally anti Microsoft. Yes, MS and Apple are competitors. But what would they have to gain by shutting-down iOS support? People would just move to TestFlight (Apple owned), which would gain MS noting at all and probably earn them some justifiable bad feeling. Nadela-era Microsoft is looking to be a different and more open beast than the Gates and Balmer era company. Edit: I didn't downvote you.
  - woogle 12y ago
    My comment would apply to any acquisition. If I'd use an analytics tool for Facebook acquired by Twitter, I'll take 10 minutes to think about it. I'm not anti-MS. I was one of the first to make Windows Phone apps. I like a lot Nadela, but do you know how many time will he stay MS CEO? As I said, MS is not only interested in Windows Phone but win a lot of money with Android. We probably continue to use HockeyApp but I'm not fan of the "don't ask questions that may hurt" bashing here.
- blowski 12y ago
  When you're in such an unstable environment as using a 3 year old startup to build apps for a 7 year old OS, I don't think that worrying about 2 years down the line is really worth it. If Microsoft hadn't bought them, what would Hockey look like in 2 years? What will iOS look like in 2 years?
- untog 12y ago
  > Yes, MS strategy is cross-plateform. Now. But in a few years, who knows what MS goals will be? Equally, HockeyApp exists. Now. But in a few years, who knows where they'll be? Basically, betting long-term on a startup is a bad bet. So you want them to be acquired by someone. I'm not sure who else out there would be better.

by woogle 12y ago

untog 12y ago

I'm not too worried about it. After all, MS has released Office on iOS, and partnered with Xamarin for iOS development. They'd be insane to buy HockeyApp then kill everything it has and replace it with a Windows Phone only solution. It's weird, but MS is almost one of the best large companies to do cross-platform dev with these days.

woogle 12y ago
I agree with that, but things may be different in 2 years. And MS is also the company that gains the most money with each Android phone sold.
- scholia 12y ago
  Microsoft has also been providing software for Macs since 1984, when it appeared at the launch, and it generally makes more money per head from Mac users (who buy lots of copies of Windows and Office) than Windows users (roughly $45 each per 4-5 years). The only reason it would quit on iOS is if it couldn't make any money from iOS users. And the only reason it wouldn't be able to make money from iOS users would be if Apple went down in flames.
  - potatolicious 12y ago
    > "Microsoft has also been providing software for Macs since 1984, when it appeared at the launch, and it generally makes more money per head from Mac users (who buy lots of copies of Windows and Office) than Windows users (roughly $45 each per 4-5 years)." All true, but that hasn't prevented the quality of MS software on Macs from varying between first class and complete bottom of the barrel. Right now iOS/OSX seems to be enjoying high priority at Microsoft, but this hasn't always been the case, even when Macs were popular. Normally I'd say that this is all fairly inconsequential, but HockeyApp is a very core part of our development process and build system, and disentangling ourselves of it is going to be a lot more complicated than, say, swapping analytics providers. Definitely not something you can do on a dime, which makes any potential sudden moves pretty concerning. And post-acquisition startups (regardless of who acquired them) tend to be full of sudden moves...
    - scholia 12y ago
      > All true, but that hasn't prevented the quality of MS software on Macs from varying between first class and complete bottom of the barrel. Life isn't that simple. Somebody once had the idea that, to save money, the Windows version of Office could be converted for Mac OS instead of developed separately. Apple users quickly let Microsoft know that they didn't like it, and Microsoft went back to the earlier system. Meanwhile, Apple doesn't bother trying to program stuff for Windows. Its Windows programs are crap but it just ignores the cries of pain from Windows users of iTunes. > Right now iOS/OSX seems to be enjoying high priority at Microsoft, but this hasn't always been the case, even when Macs were popular. Macs have never been popular, by DOS/Windows standards, and they still represent a very small minority of the installed base. However, Microsoft understands the difference between the installed base and the actual market (ie people spending money). A Mac user who buys Windows from Microsoft is much more profitable than a Windows user who gets a bundled OEM version.
      - potatolicious 12y ago
        I don't see the relevance to the point I'm making, which isn't a value judgment on Microsoft. It's apprehension because Microsoft in the past decade has been full of sudden strategic shifts and abandoned platforms. I'm mildly concerned about HockeyApp for this reason. For the most part's Microsofts wishy-washy strategy - especially when it comes to support of Apple's platforms - is fairly inconsequential. The sucky version of Office for OSX was, at the end of the day, a minimal pain. HockeyApp on the other hand is a very deeply integrated part of my development stack. I can't weather the same amount of uncertainty and sudden movement as I can some of my other tools. This makes me mildly nervous about their future.
        scholia 12y ago
        Don't agree with your perception of Microsoft's strategy, most of which makes perfect sense if you apply one simple rule: follow the money. Since HockeyApp is now part of Microsoft's cross-platform, mobile-first strategy, the main question is whether a failing HockeyApp would be more likely to survive on its own or as part of Microsoft. If it's a success, it's never going to be a problem -- or at least, not until Windows Phone/Windows 10 has a hugely dominant market share in smartphones and tablets. If that happens, I expect you'll have other things to worry about ;-)

giulianob 12y ago

Considering Microsoft's strategy lately has been to provide cross platform support, I wouldn't assume that iOS is out of the picture unless there is an announcement. Look at Microsoft Band for example, it supports iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. Also the biggest news lately was .NET going cross platform and will run on OSX and Linux.

woogle 12y ago

Why downvotes? I'm only asking questions. Yes, MS strategy is cross-plateform. Now. But in a few years, who knows what MS goals will be? IMO, taking 10 minutes to think about is not lost time.

pbz 12y ago
I didn't down vote, but you're not just asking questions; you're masking a statement in form of a question.
andyjohnson0 12y ago
Downvotes are possibly because your comment could be read as instinctively/tribally anti Microsoft. Yes, MS and Apple are competitors. But what would they have to gain by shutting-down iOS support? People would just move to TestFlight (Apple owned), which would gain MS noting at all and probably earn them some justifiable bad feeling. Nadela-era Microsoft is looking to be a different and more open beast than the Gates and Balmer era company. Edit: I didn't downvote you.
- woogle 12y ago
  My comment would apply to any acquisition. If I'd use an analytics tool for Facebook acquired by Twitter, I'll take 10 minutes to think about it. I'm not anti-MS. I was one of the first to make Windows Phone apps. I like a lot Nadela, but do you know how many time will he stay MS CEO? As I said, MS is not only interested in Windows Phone but win a lot of money with Android. We probably continue to use HockeyApp but I'm not fan of the "don't ask questions that may hurt" bashing here.
blowski 12y ago
When you're in such an unstable environment as using a 3 year old startup to build apps for a 7 year old OS, I don't think that worrying about 2 years down the line is really worth it. If Microsoft hadn't bought them, what would Hockey look like in 2 years? What will iOS look like in 2 years?
untog 12y ago
> Yes, MS strategy is cross-plateform. Now. But in a few years, who knows what MS goals will be? Equally, HockeyApp exists. Now. But in a few years, who knows where they'll be? Basically, betting long-term on a startup is a bad bet. So you want them to be acquired by someone. I'm not sure who else out there would be better.