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Way to get someone sacked at apple.

vetinari 12y ago
Why? This is exactly the situation, where the tool is a great match for a job.
mseepgood 12y ago
They're looking for Go engineers: http://www.golangprojects.com/golang-go-job-in-Senior-CDN-DevOps-Software-Engineer-Santa-Clara-Valley-Apple.html http://www.golangprojects.com/golang-go-job-in-Senior-CDN-De...
andreasklinger 12y ago
Why shouldnt someone at apple use Go. Servers/scripts/etc are not their usual focus and they dont really have an internal language that fits better. Go is pretty good at this kind of things.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  I like Go, but fail to see how Swift and C++14 don't fit the bill as well. EDIT: changed to a more constructive comment.
  - boomlinde 12y ago
    "I like X, but i fail to see why Y and Z don't fit the bill as well." Try repeating your point for any order of X, Y and Z, and you might realize it isn't really a valid reason for them to have used Swift or C++ instead.
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      Apple owns C++ and Swift compilers.
      - boomlinde 12y ago
        Your original argument was that C++ and Swift fit the bill as well. Now, as far as I can tell, you seem to be saying that C++ and Swift are better choices because Apple owns compilers for them. That is a different argument, which is in direct conflict with the one I originally responded to. My response was based on the assumption that you meant what you wrote. Anyway, onto your current stance. That Apple don't use Swift or C++ for their spider seems to indicate that the benefit of using Go outweighs the benefit of using a language they own the compiler for. Go has a BSD-style license, so as far as Apple implementing their own changes and doing whatever they want with the source code and their own binaries at will goes, they might as well have owned it. Go is also seems like a no-brainer choice for a web spider since it has concurrency modeled in such a straight forward and cruft free way.
  - astrodust 12y ago
    Any Turing Complete language would "fit the bill", obviously. What's wrong with a company not just kicking the tires on another language, but using it on a big project? That's how you design better languages of your own. "Go was great, except for X and Y" leads to improvements on your own stuff.
aikah 12y ago
lol,i'm not sure why anybody would be sacked because "Google product" ;) however,I wonder why they didnt use Swift,and it's a question.
- wyager 12y ago
  Swift was designed for coding user-facing applications, not internet utilities.
  - melling 12y ago
    Can you explain what that means? Which language features is Swift missing?
    - wyager 12y ago
      It's a perfectly reasonable general purpose language. However, it doesn't have a low-overhead green thread mechanism, and the standard library has no particular emphasis on network tools. Even as an outspoken critic of go, I recognize that it has quite a strong networking toolset.
  - antimagic 12y ago
    Swift was designed to do everything - one language to rule them all. To quote from Apple's Swift page: "Swift is a successor to the C and Objective-C languages." My guess would be that the webcrawler was started before Swift was allowed to escape from the Developer Tools enclave.
    - wyager 12y ago
      Doing everything is not the same as doing everything well. Surely you agree that languages designed with one purpose in mind (a la Go and networking/server development) can reasonably do better at that purpose than an explicitly general-purpose language? Just to be clear, I prefer Swift to Go in general. However, between the two, I would personally prefer to use Go for the development of network utilities.

Why? This is exactly the situation, where the tool is a great match for a job.

They're looking for Go engineers: http://www.golangprojects.com/golang-go-job-in-Senior-CDN-DevOps-Software-Engineer-Santa-Clara-Valley-Apple.html http://www.golangprojects.com/golang-go-job-in-Senior-CDN-De...

andreasklinger 12y ago

Why shouldnt someone at apple use Go. Servers/scripts/etc are not their usual focus and they dont really have an internal language that fits better. Go is pretty good at this kind of things.

pjmlp 12y ago
I like Go, but fail to see how Swift and C++14 don't fit the bill as well. EDIT: changed to a more constructive comment.
- boomlinde 12y ago
  "I like X, but i fail to see why Y and Z don't fit the bill as well." Try repeating your point for any order of X, Y and Z, and you might realize it isn't really a valid reason for them to have used Swift or C++ instead.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    Apple owns C++ and Swift compilers.
    - boomlinde 12y ago
      Your original argument was that C++ and Swift fit the bill as well. Now, as far as I can tell, you seem to be saying that C++ and Swift are better choices because Apple owns compilers for them. That is a different argument, which is in direct conflict with the one I originally responded to. My response was based on the assumption that you meant what you wrote. Anyway, onto your current stance. That Apple don't use Swift or C++ for their spider seems to indicate that the benefit of using Go outweighs the benefit of using a language they own the compiler for. Go has a BSD-style license, so as far as Apple implementing their own changes and doing whatever they want with the source code and their own binaries at will goes, they might as well have owned it. Go is also seems like a no-brainer choice for a web spider since it has concurrency modeled in such a straight forward and cruft free way.
- astrodust 12y ago
  Any Turing Complete language would "fit the bill", obviously. What's wrong with a company not just kicking the tires on another language, but using it on a big project? That's how you design better languages of your own. "Go was great, except for X and Y" leads to improvements on your own stuff.

aikah 12y ago

lol,i'm not sure why anybody would be sacked because "Google product" ;) however,I wonder why they didnt use Swift,and it's a question.

wyager 12y ago
Swift was designed for coding user-facing applications, not internet utilities.
- melling 12y ago
  Can you explain what that means? Which language features is Swift missing?
  - wyager 12y ago
    It's a perfectly reasonable general purpose language. However, it doesn't have a low-overhead green thread mechanism, and the standard library has no particular emphasis on network tools. Even as an outspoken critic of go, I recognize that it has quite a strong networking toolset.
- antimagic 12y ago
  Swift was designed to do everything - one language to rule them all. To quote from Apple's Swift page: "Swift is a successor to the C and Objective-C languages." My guess would be that the webcrawler was started before Swift was allowed to escape from the Developer Tools enclave.
  - wyager 12y ago
    Doing everything is not the same as doing everything well. Surely you agree that languages designed with one purpose in mind (a la Go and networking/server development) can reasonably do better at that purpose than an explicitly general-purpose language? Just to be clear, I prefer Swift to Go in general. However, between the two, I would personally prefer to use Go for the development of network utilities.