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If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

by tmmm 12y ago

newaccountfool 12y ago
> If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that Really? Have you any studies to back that up or did you just extract it from your arse?
- thisjepisje 12y ago
  Did you read what is in between the ()?
- coldtea 12y ago
  Do you have studies to back up the fact that you just questioned what he said? Seriously, this "do you have studies" BS is getting out of hand. He made an argument (which btw includes more context than what you quoted), and stated his opinion of what would happen in a hypothetical situation. And it's also obvious to everyone who has ever casually conversed that "everyone" in this context means "many people", not literally everyone. You can disagree and say "That's not what's going to happen because ...", or even "Study such and such shows that this not necessarily happens...". Asking for studies to back up his thinking is BS. This is not some peer reviewed journal, nor is he writing a thesis. This is a simple conversation. And even if he gave 4-5 studies there would be absolutely no guarantees that those studies aren't crap, aren't invalidated by subsequent studies, aren't only describing what works in some specific cultural context, etc. This is sociology and human behavior, not physics or math to have some be all end all studies answering specific questions.
phaer 12y ago
The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized. Prison, on the other hand, means that society spends a lot of money to make your live worse without any obvious advantage, at least for non-violent crimes.
- tmmm 12y ago
  > The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized Yes, and that's a nice solution.
  - phaer 12y ago
    I agree but that's in stark contrast to your original comment.
tripzilch 12y ago
In many countries outside the US, jail time (and the justice system in general) are not exclusively about punishment. Think about that for a bit.

If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

by tmmm 12y ago

If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

newaccountfool 12y ago

> If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that Really? Have you any studies to back that up or did you just extract it from your arse?

thisjepisje 12y ago
Did you read what is in between the ()?
coldtea 12y ago
Do you have studies to back up the fact that you just questioned what he said? Seriously, this "do you have studies" BS is getting out of hand. He made an argument (which btw includes more context than what you quoted), and stated his opinion of what would happen in a hypothetical situation. And it's also obvious to everyone who has ever casually conversed that "everyone" in this context means "many people", not literally everyone. You can disagree and say "That's not what's going to happen because ...", or even "Study such and such shows that this not necessarily happens...". Asking for studies to back up his thinking is BS. This is not some peer reviewed journal, nor is he writing a thesis. This is a simple conversation. And even if he gave 4-5 studies there would be absolutely no guarantees that those studies aren't crap, aren't invalidated by subsequent studies, aren't only describing what works in some specific cultural context, etc. This is sociology and human behavior, not physics or math to have some be all end all studies answering specific questions.

phaer 12y ago

The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized. Prison, on the other hand, means that society spends a lot of money to make your live worse without any obvious advantage, at least for non-violent crimes.

tmmm 12y ago
> The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized Yes, and that's a nice solution.
- phaer 12y ago
  I agree but that's in stark contrast to your original comment.

tripzilch 12y ago

In many countries outside the US, jail time (and the justice system in general) are not exclusively about punishment. Think about that for a bit.