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I've been messing around with the Google Camera app and the new Camera API provided by Android 5. It turns out that you can actually obtain a lot higher quality

I've been messing around with the Google Camera app and the new Camera API provided by Android 5. It turns out that you can actually obtain a lot higher quality images by using the DNG (digital negative) of the photo, instead of using the JPEG. By "HDRing" images yourself, you can actually outperform Google Camera's HDR+ functionality. Here's the JPEG, non HDR+ shot on a Nexus 5: http://i.imgur.com/So44muL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/So44muL.jpg Here's a similar image shot with HDR+: http://i.imgur.com/QFS3ZYd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QFS3ZYd.jpg. As you can see, the dynamic range is increased greatly; however there's strange black spots in the shadows. Here's the same photo that I took in DNG format, edited in Lightroom: http://i.imgur.com/VRFsnf5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VRFsnf5.jpg And here's my HDR photo, combined 5 DNG exposures inside Photoshop HDR Pro's functionality: http://i.imgur.com/RTT6ULz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RTT6ULz.jpg

higherpurpose 12y ago
Could Google's HDR+ also use DNG instead of jpeg and combine those automatically? That would make it much slower, though, so they'd have to take 3 at most.
- ioedward 12y ago
  There's nothing technical that's stopping them from doing it. I expect third party apps to do something similar once Lollipop has a higher market share.
- rcthompson 12y ago
  HDR+ does the processing immediately after taking the images. I would hope that the "HDR" step happens before any compression.
magicalist 12y ago
Is this handheld or mounted somehow? That last image looks great, but I thought HDR Pro needed it to be stable between shots.
- ioedward 12y ago
  All hand held, shot from 1/35th of a second to 1/1000th of a second. HDR Pro does some basic auto aligning and ghost removal, AFAIK.
tambourine_man 12y ago
I didn't know it was possible to save real DNGs on Android (as opposed to JPEGs inside DNGs). I've been waiting for years to be able to shoot RAW on a phone camera. Do you mind posting a DNG file of this photo? I might switch from iOS if Apple doesn't provide this functionality soon enough.
- ioedward 12y ago
  Sure! I would _not_ advise getting the Nexus 5. As noted below in other comments, the image quality and autofocusing speed has much to be desired. The Camera2 API that supports DNG is only available on Android 5.0 phones. http://edward.io/raw_nexus_5.zip http://edward.io/raw_nexus_5.zip
  - higherpurpose 12y ago
    In other words get a Nexus 6, or wait a phone that will get Android 5/Lollipop in the next few months and has a great camera sensor already (Xperia Z3/Z3 Compact, Galaxy Note 4) - or wait for Xperia Z4, Galaxy S6 or HTC M9 in spring.
marak830 12y ago
Wow thats quite interesting, i think ill try that this weekend, see if i can setup an automated solution too if i can get it working smoothly.
blurri 12y ago
Yes, raw files have quite the dynamic range and the current generation of raw processors can really pull a lot of detail out of the shadows and highlights. The strange black dots you find in the shadows are noise. Simple no data to produce any results. The key part to in camera HDR is, automatic. No manually fixing your camera to tripod, copying them onto computer and the loading into software capable of HDR and finally manually processing them.

higherpurpose 12y ago

Could Google's HDR+ also use DNG instead of jpeg and combine those automatically? That would make it much slower, though, so they'd have to take 3 at most.

ioedward 12y ago
There's nothing technical that's stopping them from doing it. I expect third party apps to do something similar once Lollipop has a higher market share.
rcthompson 12y ago
HDR+ does the processing immediately after taking the images. I would hope that the "HDR" step happens before any compression.

magicalist 12y ago

Is this handheld or mounted somehow? That last image looks great, but I thought HDR Pro needed it to be stable between shots.

ioedward 12y ago
All hand held, shot from 1/35th of a second to 1/1000th of a second. HDR Pro does some basic auto aligning and ghost removal, AFAIK.

tambourine_man 12y ago

I didn't know it was possible to save real DNGs on Android (as opposed to JPEGs inside DNGs). I've been waiting for years to be able to shoot RAW on a phone camera. Do you mind posting a DNG file of this photo? I might switch from iOS if Apple doesn't provide this functionality soon enough.

ioedward 12y ago
Sure! I would _not_ advise getting the Nexus 5. As noted below in other comments, the image quality and autofocusing speed has much to be desired. The Camera2 API that supports DNG is only available on Android 5.0 phones. http://edward.io/raw_nexus_5.zip http://edward.io/raw_nexus_5.zip
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  In other words get a Nexus 6, or wait a phone that will get Android 5/Lollipop in the next few months and has a great camera sensor already (Xperia Z3/Z3 Compact, Galaxy Note 4) - or wait for Xperia Z4, Galaxy S6 or HTC M9 in spring.

marak830 12y ago

Wow thats quite interesting, i think ill try that this weekend, see if i can setup an automated solution too if i can get it working smoothly.

blurri 12y ago

Yes, raw files have quite the dynamic range and the current generation of raw processors can really pull a lot of detail out of the shadows and highlights. The strange black dots you find in the shadows are noise. Simple no data to produce any results. The key part to in camera HDR is, automatic. No manually fixing your camera to tripod, copying them onto computer and the loading into software capable of HDR and finally manually processing them.