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KZPlayground – Playgrounds for Objective-C

30 points by metatation 12y ago

Argorak 12y ago
I know the prefix comes from the authors name, but the NSSomething naming scheme was very unlucky already, KZSomething is even worse.
- LukaD 12y ago
  The author should maybe consider renaming the project. The first thing that comes to my (german) mind when I hear KZ is concentration camp.
- pavlov 12y ago
  I've been under the impression that Apple asks third parties to use three-letter prefixes (that's the default in Xcode when you start a new project). Apple would like to keep two-letter prefixes for their own frameworks: CA for Core Animation, SK for SceneKit, etc.
- glhaynes 12y ago
  This is unfortunate for German, but not a big deal for most other-language speakers, I think. I could of course be off, but as an English-speaking American who's likely a bit more knowledgable about WWII than average, the unfortunateness of "NS" has never crossed my mind before and I'd have never even known about the issue with "KZ" if it hadn't been mentioned here. Anyway, it seems an odd request to make of an apparently Polish person.
  - Argorak 12y ago
    Take any unfortunate combination that rings a bell in the us and american people will have the same problem. Something slightly sexual and racy, especially.
    - glhaynes 12y ago
      Sure. Upon review, I made it sound like you were suggesting that it should be changed; but you hadn't, and had only pointed out the contextual awkwardness. I apologize.
      - Argorak 12y ago
        Apology accepted. I wouldn't go into a lobby war because of that.
- metafex 12y ago
  What makes it even worse is the name KZPlayground, for me personally stuff like that sends shivers down my spine, though I'm slightly biased (being Austrian, family history, etc.). kz can thoug also be the TLD/country code for Kazakhstan, there are just a lot of ambiguities in all the human languages and product naming can be a real pain (some car-makers have some experience with especially bad naming :) )
mpweiher 12y ago
Thanks for demonstrating that linking Playgrounds to Swift was just a marketing gimmick. Apple could have easily (probably more easily) done playgrounds with Objective-C.
- austinz 12y ago
  This isn't a backport of the Xcode 6 Playground feature to Objective-C. It's an iPad view controller and glue code intended for the simulator; you add your own code and the view controller provides controls that correspond to Playground features.
- mikeash 12y ago
  A big part of Apple's Playgrounds is how it shows you the value produced by every line of code, shows how many times loops were executed, and allows you to view a complete history of the values any particular variable took on during a loop. This is hard to accomplish, as it requires modifying the compiler to output instrumented code (and it's also why Swift playgrounds don't execute very fast). This Objective-C version doesn't appear to do any of that. It looks great and that's not meant as criticism in any way, but it's not reasonable to take this and turn it into some Apple bashing.
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merowing 12y ago
Thanks, I hope it can help people learn faster and create cool stuff!
j_s 12y ago
Nice! Xamarin Studio (commercial cross-platform [including mobile] C#) recently released support for what they're calling 'Sketches'. http://developer.xamarin.com/guides/cross-platform/sketches/introduction/ http://developer.xamarin.com/guides/cross-platform/sketches/...
christopherDam 12y ago
https://github.com/DyCI/dyci-main https://github.com/DyCI/dyci-main do same thing and available before.This guy just added little bit on it and saying its my work.Clap for dyci
christopherDam 12y ago
It is nothing fancy than run-time code injecting.Its not playground or not meant to be as playgound show each line output.It is runtime injecting you can do easily with tools out there for clang like dyci or code injector.You can run your app without compile this better defines code injecting.
- BenedictC 12y ago
  The documentation clearly states that it uses dyci: "KZPlayground is powered by Dyci code injection tool". This project is doing what open source is intended for - it uses existing tools to build new things.

30 points by metatation 12y ago

I know the prefix comes from the authors name, but the NSSomething naming scheme was very unlucky already, KZSomething is even worse.

LukaD 12y ago
The author should maybe consider renaming the project. The first thing that comes to my (german) mind when I hear KZ is concentration camp.
pavlov 12y ago
I've been under the impression that Apple asks third parties to use three-letter prefixes (that's the default in Xcode when you start a new project). Apple would like to keep two-letter prefixes for their own frameworks: CA for Core Animation, SK for SceneKit, etc.
glhaynes 12y ago
This is unfortunate for German, but not a big deal for most other-language speakers, I think. I could of course be off, but as an English-speaking American who's likely a bit more knowledgable about WWII than average, the unfortunateness of "NS" has never crossed my mind before and I'd have never even known about the issue with "KZ" if it hadn't been mentioned here. Anyway, it seems an odd request to make of an apparently Polish person.
- Argorak 12y ago
  Take any unfortunate combination that rings a bell in the us and american people will have the same problem. Something slightly sexual and racy, especially.
  - glhaynes 12y ago
    Sure. Upon review, I made it sound like you were suggesting that it should be changed; but you hadn't, and had only pointed out the contextual awkwardness. I apologize.
    - Argorak 12y ago
      Apology accepted. I wouldn't go into a lobby war because of that.
metafex 12y ago
What makes it even worse is the name KZPlayground, for me personally stuff like that sends shivers down my spine, though I'm slightly biased (being Austrian, family history, etc.). kz can thoug also be the TLD/country code for Kazakhstan, there are just a lot of ambiguities in all the human languages and product naming can be a real pain (some car-makers have some experience with especially bad naming :) )

mpweiher 12y ago

Thanks for demonstrating that linking Playgrounds to Swift was just a marketing gimmick. Apple could have easily (probably more easily) done playgrounds with Objective-C.

austinz 12y ago
This isn't a backport of the Xcode 6 Playground feature to Objective-C. It's an iPad view controller and glue code intended for the simulator; you add your own code and the view controller provides controls that correspond to Playground features.
mikeash 12y ago
A big part of Apple's Playgrounds is how it shows you the value produced by every line of code, shows how many times loops were executed, and allows you to view a complete history of the values any particular variable took on during a loop. This is hard to accomplish, as it requires modifying the compiler to output instrumented code (and it's also why Swift playgrounds don't execute very fast). This Objective-C version doesn't appear to do any of that. It looks great and that's not meant as criticism in any way, but it's not reasonable to take this and turn it into some Apple bashing.

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merowing 12y ago

Thanks, I hope it can help people learn faster and create cool stuff!

j_s 12y ago

Nice! Xamarin Studio (commercial cross-platform [including mobile] C#) recently released support for what they're calling 'Sketches'. http://developer.xamarin.com/guides/cross-platform/sketches/introduction/ http://developer.xamarin.com/guides/cross-platform/sketches/...

christopherDam 12y ago

https://github.com/DyCI/dyci-main https://github.com/DyCI/dyci-main do same thing and available before.This guy just added little bit on it and saying its my work.Clap for dyci

christopherDam 12y ago

It is nothing fancy than run-time code injecting.Its not playground or not meant to be as playgound show each line output.It is runtime injecting you can do easily with tools out there for clang like dyci or code injector.You can run your app without compile this better defines code injecting.

BenedictC 12y ago
The documentation clearly states that it uses dyci: "KZPlayground is powered by Dyci code injection tool". This project is doing what open source is intended for - it uses existing tools to build new things.