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Anyone know if it's ok to make profit out of these? Think: Retouch and sell as a painting.

by mmmm 12y ago

twright 12y ago
I'm going to lean no because of this section in their "Rules for Readers" section: https://www.vatlib.it/home.php?pag=regolamento#regVIII https://www.vatlib.it/home.php?pag=regolamento#regVIII On the other hand, I'm not sure that there's a team of scholar-lawyers scouring the web for infringement.
joshvm 12y ago
IANAL Short answer, no. Long answer, it depends and you'd need to be careful. The issue isn't copying the artwork per se, it's copying the Vatican's picture of the artwork. They will likely release the images for free, but retain copyright over the digitisation. Would you be caught for stealing a plate from an ancient book and incorporating it somewhere? Dunno. The Holy See is part of the Berne convention so you're still bound by their claimed copyright. Are they really going to go after you? I find it rather unlikely unless you're peddling images of the Sistene Chapel. On the other hand if you made a reproduction of the image, say you found a drawing and manually vectorised it, then I think you would be safe - as after all, it's the photo that's copyright, not the manuscript. In principle, taking a photo of a Van Gogh and putting it on a Tshirt is perfectly legal. The bans on photography in galleries boil down to: - Light sensitive works - Copyright on newer exhibits - Profit making for the gallery (as many galleries in the UK are free, this is how they make their money) - House rules, you may not be violating image copyright, but you may be violating house rules which they could kick you out for
- rmc 12y ago
  They could put it under a CC licence?
- ars 12y ago
  > The issue isn't copying the artwork per se, it's copying the Vatican's picture of the artwork. They will likely release the images for free, but retain copyright over the digitisation. In the US they can not claim copyright for this. This is very clear. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel.... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_Wikimedia_Foundation_copyright_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_...
eksith 12y ago
Your best bet would be to ask them directly. I don't know how they could claim copyright on the original works, but they may have a case if you reuse their digitized copy of the original work. Much like a photograph of a piece of art may fall under a different copyright (that of the photographer) vs. the art itself. Also, the Vatican operates under a different set of rules than the rest of Italy, so I don't know if Italian copyright laws apply the same there.
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s3th 12y ago
If you click through to a digital work: http://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Arch.Cap.S.Pietro.A.1/0001?sid=7196edd079ac6c8be18083062f6754f5 http://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Arch.Cap.S.Pietro.A.1/0001?si... And then click on the shopping cart, it takes you to a page which talks about the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license... not sure how this works with the Vatican's own copyright.
reedlaw 12y ago
There are watermarks on the images.

Anyone know if it's ok to make profit out of these? Think: Retouch and sell as a painting.

by mmmm 12y ago

Anyone know if it's ok to make profit out of these? Think: Retouch and sell as a painting.

I'm going to lean no because of this section in their "Rules for Readers" section: https://www.vatlib.it/home.php?pag=regolamento#regVIII https://www.vatlib.it/home.php?pag=regolamento#regVIII On the other hand, I'm not sure that there's a team of scholar-lawyers scouring the web for infringement.

joshvm 12y ago

IANAL Short answer, no. Long answer, it depends and you'd need to be careful. The issue isn't copying the artwork per se, it's copying the Vatican's picture of the artwork. They will likely release the images for free, but retain copyright over the digitisation. Would you be caught for stealing a plate from an ancient book and incorporating it somewhere? Dunno. The Holy See is part of the Berne convention so you're still bound by their claimed copyright. Are they really going to go after you? I find it rather unlikely unless you're peddling images of the Sistene Chapel. On the other hand if you made a reproduction of the image, say you found a drawing and manually vectorised it, then I think you would be safe - as after all, it's the photo that's copyright, not the manuscript. In principle, taking a photo of a Van Gogh and putting it on a Tshirt is perfectly legal. The bans on photography in galleries boil down to: - Light sensitive works - Copyright on newer exhibits - Profit making for the gallery (as many galleries in the UK are free, this is how they make their money) - House rules, you may not be violating image copyright, but you may be violating house rules which they could kick you out for

rmc 12y ago
They could put it under a CC licence?
ars 12y ago
> The issue isn't copying the artwork per se, it's copying the Vatican's picture of the artwork. They will likely release the images for free, but retain copyright over the digitisation. In the US they can not claim copyright for this. This is very clear. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel.... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_Wikimedia_Foundation_copyright_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_...

eksith 12y ago

Your best bet would be to ask them directly. I don't know how they could claim copyright on the original works, but they may have a case if you reuse their digitized copy of the original work. Much like a photograph of a piece of art may fall under a different copyright (that of the photographer) vs. the art itself. Also, the Vatican operates under a different set of rules than the rest of Italy, so I don't know if Italian copyright laws apply the same there.

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s3th 12y ago

If you click through to a digital work: http://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Arch.Cap.S.Pietro.A.1/0001?sid=7196edd079ac6c8be18083062f6754f5 http://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Arch.Cap.S.Pietro.A.1/0001?si... And then click on the shopping cart, it takes you to a page which talks about the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license... not sure how this works with the Vatican's own copyright.

reedlaw 12y ago

There are watermarks on the images.