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If there are no leaders and no control, then surely the GG movement can only be defined by what it does under it's banner and it can't in any sane way be called

by _wdh 12y ago

If there are no leaders and no control, then surely the GG movement can only be defined by what it does under it's banner and it can't in any sane way be called "level headed" or "balanced"? If there's no way to moderate the GG members beyond consensus then there isn't any organisation or even a coherent goal beyond attacking perceived threats. I'm not even sure what GG is trying to do by sending death threats to Anita and harassing Zoe Quinn. It just looks like they are doing it for it's own sake.

Karunamon 12y ago
Your first mistake is assuming that "GG is sending death threats". That is false.
- sixthhokage1 12y ago
  People are doxing, harassing, and sending threats of various sorts in GG's name. All the cries of "false flag" are just making the movement look worse.
  - Karunamon 12y ago
    It doesn't even need to be a false flag. All it takes is one un-hinged idiot who thinks they're Doing The Right Thing, and by the standards that HN users apparently have, that's enough to discard the entire movement. Because, yknow, a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else, but that same standard doesn't apply to people on the other side because reasons. You'll pardon me for refusing to take this kind of lazy, hypocritical, dishonest viewpoint seriously. I fully expect this post to receive un-rebutted downvotes, too.
    - _wdh 12y ago
      By that logic, you can't judge any group in any way for doing anything because anything anyone does can be reduced to being an "un-hinged idiot".
      - Karunamon 12y ago
        Not at all. I can show you on pretty much every organizing point for GamerGate where there are rules in place about sexist or nasty comments, where people have been massively reported for trying to organize an invasion (on a chan board no less!) and so on. Those leading the outrage train against gamergate are doing a fantastic job of cherry picking while ignoring this larger trend. And by the way, lest you think that the concerns about "false flags" are just paranoid rantings, it is a thing that has happened before. [1] http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/faking-harassment-edition.jpg http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/faking-h...
    - mcherm 12y ago
      You write (sarcastically): > a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else I have missed the part where those members sending threats were "denounced by everyone else". (Certainly they have been denounced by a few.) Where are you seeing that?

by _wdh 12y ago

Karunamon 12y ago

Your first mistake is assuming that "GG is sending death threats". That is false.

sixthhokage1 12y ago
People are doxing, harassing, and sending threats of various sorts in GG's name. All the cries of "false flag" are just making the movement look worse.
- Karunamon 12y ago
  It doesn't even need to be a false flag. All it takes is one un-hinged idiot who thinks they're Doing The Right Thing, and by the standards that HN users apparently have, that's enough to discard the entire movement. Because, yknow, a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else, but that same standard doesn't apply to people on the other side because reasons. You'll pardon me for refusing to take this kind of lazy, hypocritical, dishonest viewpoint seriously. I fully expect this post to receive un-rebutted downvotes, too.
  - _wdh 12y ago
    By that logic, you can't judge any group in any way for doing anything because anything anyone does can be reduced to being an "un-hinged idiot".
    - Karunamon 12y ago
      Not at all. I can show you on pretty much every organizing point for GamerGate where there are rules in place about sexist or nasty comments, where people have been massively reported for trying to organize an invasion (on a chan board no less!) and so on. Those leading the outrage train against gamergate are doing a fantastic job of cherry picking while ignoring this larger trend. And by the way, lest you think that the concerns about "false flags" are just paranoid rantings, it is a thing that has happened before. [1] http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/faking-harassment-edition.jpg http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/faking-h...
  - mcherm 12y ago
    You write (sarcastically): > a group's most unhinged members only stand for the movement when it's GG, even when those members are denounced by everyone else I have missed the part where those members sending threats were "denounced by everyone else". (Certainly they have been denounced by a few.) Where are you seeing that?