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That's just sensationalist clickbait. The whale species hunted are not endangered and there is no ban on hunting these whales. There are many species of creatur

by wjk 12y ago

That's just sensationalist clickbait. The whale species hunted are not endangered and there is no ban on hunting these whales. There are many species of creatures which actually are and which you should spend more time caring about though. These whales are not among them.

tomelders 12y ago
So Norway isn't violating a whaling ban?
- perbu 12y ago
  Yes. They are. However, the IWC resolution to ban whaling is not binding. It's advisory and in my opinion not based on facts but feelings.
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    - jonpacker 12y ago
      Minke whales are not in any way endangered (or close to it). Check your facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale
      - tomelders 12y ago
        Yet. I take the view that the human race should only be harvesting things it really needs. The case for whaling (that I'm aware of) seems pretty weak. And if Norway did sign up to protect marine wildlife in exchange for oil rights (I'm taking that at face value at the moment) then it does seem like a jerk move to take the oil and not protect the whales.
        eropple 12y ago
        "Protect marine wildlife" is not the same thing as "ban harvesting of a species that is not endangered."
        tomelders 12y ago
        This is where we part company. My belief is that they are. It is my view that the end result of "protecting wildlife" should be that the wildlife flourishes.
    - sgt 12y ago
      Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. More information: http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/mammals/whales/whaling/#.U_x-iFOSzR0 http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/... In my view, whalers are decent people - they generally aren't "jerks". You probably have never even talked to nor met any one of them. I understand your point that hunting and farming of animals in general is not good, but it's a pretty hard habit to break. This is how the world works at this time - people hunt all sort of animals whether it's ethically right or not. Also remember that of all the meat produced in this world, whale meat is but a tiny fraction of it, so perhaps spend more of your time protesting the way fish is treated (which is also a valid concern).
      - hkarthik 12y ago
        > Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. Jumping in a longboat and pillaging neighboring villages was also a Norwegian tradition in medieval times, but we find such practices barbaric today.
        67726e 12y ago
        Eh, depends on how you frame it. Is a troop transport taking US forces over to Iraq barbaric? Depends on who you ask.
        hkarthik 12y ago
        Absolutely, I'm not claiming the US doesn't participate in forms of barbarism. We had a completely different set of unjustified justifications for the Iraq invasion, but we didn't use tradition as the excuse.
      - mullingitover 12y ago
        > Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. Eh, but back in medieval times it was a fair fight--no sonar, no diesel engines, no grenade-tipped harpoons, and as a bonus, there was actually a legitimate need to do this. The whaling now is done by people with money, in order to earn more money. Nothing more.
    - sleepyhead 12y ago
      If you write "Fact" you really should produce facts. * The whales that we in Norway hunt are not endangered. * Norway is not the richest country in the world. Also no need to call anyone jerks. Here is some more info: http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/mammals/whales/whaling/#.U_yMDEvHOZw http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/...
- wjk 12y ago
  There is no law which bans it. Just an agreement among several countries which Norway isn't a part of as far as I know.
  - tomelders 12y ago
    Fair enough. Although I personally would prefer it if whales were left alone.
    - clarky07 12y ago
      why? they aren't endangered, people like to eat them. why is a whale different from say a deer?
  - sanoli 12y ago
    Yep, just like the Kyoto Protocol. (no sarcasm, just pointing out that he's right, and that most people also think every nation is bound by the Kyoto Protocol)
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by wjk 12y ago

tomelders 12y ago

So Norway isn't violating a whaling ban?

perbu 12y ago
Yes. They are. However, the IWC resolution to ban whaling is not binding. It's advisory and in my opinion not based on facts but feelings.
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  - jonpacker 12y ago
    Minke whales are not in any way endangered (or close to it). Check your facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale
    - tomelders 12y ago
      Yet. I take the view that the human race should only be harvesting things it really needs. The case for whaling (that I'm aware of) seems pretty weak. And if Norway did sign up to protect marine wildlife in exchange for oil rights (I'm taking that at face value at the moment) then it does seem like a jerk move to take the oil and not protect the whales.
      - eropple 12y ago
        "Protect marine wildlife" is not the same thing as "ban harvesting of a species that is not endangered."
        tomelders 12y ago
        This is where we part company. My belief is that they are. It is my view that the end result of "protecting wildlife" should be that the wildlife flourishes.
  - sgt 12y ago
    Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. More information: http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/mammals/whales/whaling/#.U_x-iFOSzR0 http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/... In my view, whalers are decent people - they generally aren't "jerks". You probably have never even talked to nor met any one of them. I understand your point that hunting and farming of animals in general is not good, but it's a pretty hard habit to break. This is how the world works at this time - people hunt all sort of animals whether it's ethically right or not. Also remember that of all the meat produced in this world, whale meat is but a tiny fraction of it, so perhaps spend more of your time protesting the way fish is treated (which is also a valid concern).
    - hkarthik 12y ago
      > Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. Jumping in a longboat and pillaging neighboring villages was also a Norwegian tradition in medieval times, but we find such practices barbaric today.
      - 67726e 12y ago
        Eh, depends on how you frame it. Is a troop transport taking US forces over to Iraq barbaric? Depends on who you ask.
        hkarthik 12y ago
        Absolutely, I'm not claiming the US doesn't participate in forms of barbarism. We had a completely different set of unjustified justifications for the Iraq invasion, but we didn't use tradition as the excuse.
    - mullingitover 12y ago
      > Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. Eh, but back in medieval times it was a fair fight--no sonar, no diesel engines, no grenade-tipped harpoons, and as a bonus, there was actually a legitimate need to do this. The whaling now is done by people with money, in order to earn more money. Nothing more.
  - sleepyhead 12y ago
    If you write "Fact" you really should produce facts. * The whales that we in Norway hunt are not endangered. * Norway is not the richest country in the world. Also no need to call anyone jerks. Here is some more info: http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/mammals/whales/whaling/#.U_yMDEvHOZw http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/...
wjk 12y ago
There is no law which bans it. Just an agreement among several countries which Norway isn't a part of as far as I know.
- tomelders 12y ago
  Fair enough. Although I personally would prefer it if whales were left alone.
  - clarky07 12y ago
    why? they aren't endangered, people like to eat them. why is a whale different from say a deer?
- sanoli 12y ago
  Yep, just like the Kyoto Protocol. (no sarcasm, just pointing out that he's right, and that most people also think every nation is bound by the Kyoto Protocol)
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