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I think you should show the comments first without a time-limit and then allow the user to play. For example: /* * @Input1: an integer

by columbo 12y ago

I think you should show the comments first without a time-limit and then allow the user to play. For example: /* * @Input1: an integer * @Input2: an integer (@Input1 <= @Input2) * @Input3: an integer (@Input3 !== 0) * @Output: maximal integer from @Input1 to @Input2 inclusive * which is divisible by @Input3 * or -1 if there in no such number */ <insert click to play button> Right now it takes me 20-30 seconds just to read and understand the comments.

pavel_lishin 12y ago
Why should reading the code be timed, but reading comments not timed?
- pyre 12y ago
  Reading the comments is about understanding what the function is supposed to be doing. Reading the code is about actually finding the bug. I can see the argument for allowing one to understand the problem prior to hunting down the bug.
  - squeaky-clean 12y ago
    While I understand point people are making, I think understanding the problem is part of the debugging process, and should be a part of the puzzle and timer. I remember entering programming competitions in high school and college. The first 5 minutes, when everyone is ripping open the envelope of their problem packet and trying to find the easiest problems was always very intense, and fun! Sometimes you would read through it too quickly, and miss a small detail that would render all the code you wrote completely useless. That's part of the challenge!
    - pyre 12y ago
      I can definitely see both arguments. I think that they both have merits, and it's just a difference of opinion. :)
    - Huppie 12y ago
      The difference in high school IMHO is that I give it a big chance that everybody was a native English speaker there. I agree with you that understanding the (full) problem is part of the challenge in some cases, but since the headline here is 'How fast can you debug?' it has to test debugging skill. I'm lucky to read and write English about every single day but have colleagues who are probably faster than me at debugging code that will take a lot longer because they'll first have to carefully read and translate the specification before they could continue.
- laumars 12y ago
  Because this is a test of ones ability to code; not the speed at which they can read English. As I said earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207116

by columbo 12y ago

pavel_lishin 12y ago

Why should reading the code be timed, but reading comments not timed?

pyre 12y ago
Reading the comments is about understanding what the function is supposed to be doing. Reading the code is about actually finding the bug. I can see the argument for allowing one to understand the problem prior to hunting down the bug.
- squeaky-clean 12y ago
  While I understand point people are making, I think understanding the problem is part of the debugging process, and should be a part of the puzzle and timer. I remember entering programming competitions in high school and college. The first 5 minutes, when everyone is ripping open the envelope of their problem packet and trying to find the easiest problems was always very intense, and fun! Sometimes you would read through it too quickly, and miss a small detail that would render all the code you wrote completely useless. That's part of the challenge!
  - pyre 12y ago
    I can definitely see both arguments. I think that they both have merits, and it's just a difference of opinion. :)
  - Huppie 12y ago
    The difference in high school IMHO is that I give it a big chance that everybody was a native English speaker there. I agree with you that understanding the (full) problem is part of the challenge in some cases, but since the headline here is 'How fast can you debug?' it has to test debugging skill. I'm lucky to read and write English about every single day but have colleagues who are probably faster than me at debugging code that will take a lot longer because they'll first have to carefully read and translate the specification before they could continue.
laumars 12y ago
Because this is a test of ones ability to code; not the speed at which they can read English. As I said earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207116