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Texas is right-to-work state. Musk is a smart guy.

by kar2014 12y ago

scarmig 12y ago
...the likelihood that right-to-work played even the smallest role in Musk's decision making here is small enough that it appears in the occasional real analysis text.
- MaysonL 12y ago
  good old ϵ...
dba7dba 12y ago
You should pay a visit to SpaceX company. Union/non-union is a non-issue. Edit: Come to think of it, Elon would be very very happy if rocket manufacturers really had to deal with union the way car/plane makers do. That would mean rocketing across space is really like getting on a jet liner. But we all know that's many years away. So yeah, union/non-union is a non-issue for SpaceX.
- dalke 12y ago
  Could you elaborate on what "the way" means? After all, there are such unions now, like the International Association of Machinist and Aerospace Workers. IAM represents employees at, among others, KSC. Eg, they voted to strike at KSC back in 2007. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/02/AR2007060201434.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06... Ariane also has to deal with unions. You can see direct evidence at http://www.space.com/13037-ariane-5-launch-postponed-labor-strike.html http://www.space.com/13037-ariane-5-launch-postponed-labor-s... . (I mention these because strikes are easily reported in the news. Behind the scenes of course many of the engineers who built Ariane and the Shuttle are union labor, but that fact doesn't have the conflict that brings in readers.) Since I don't see how union labor implies what you think it does, could you clarify?
- FiatLuxDave 12y ago
  Union/non-union may not seem like an issue inside SpaceX, but the view from other workers in the industry may not match that. Last month, I was at a 4th of July party which happened to be mostly space workers, and when I brought up the subject of SpaceX the consensus was, 'Cool company. I'd totally work there if the salaries weren't so low.' It surprised me, since I tend to associate up-and-coming companies with money from the Valley with higher salaries. There are definitely unions in the aerospace industry. My uncle was involved with a strike at United Launch Alliance a few years ago. It's actually the only time I can remember any member of my family going on a picket line.
  - toomuchtodo 12y ago
    You definitely don't work at SpaceX for the money. Their salaries are below market rate, the hours are brutal, but you're bootstrapping planetary travel. Just depends on what your motivations as a person are. Disclaimer: I applied for a low-paying SpaceX IT position in Cape Canaveral, because Mars.
Mvandenbergh 12y ago
Right-to-work or not is almost irrelevant for non-commodity labour anyway.
poopsintub 12y ago
So is Florida, but they would have had to build a new facility on protected land on Merritt Island.

Texas is right-to-work state. Musk is a smart guy.

by kar2014 12y ago

Texas is right-to-work state. Musk is a smart guy.

...the likelihood that right-to-work played even the smallest role in Musk's decision making here is small enough that it appears in the occasional real analysis text.

MaysonL 12y ago
good old ϵ...

dba7dba 12y ago

You should pay a visit to SpaceX company. Union/non-union is a non-issue. Edit: Come to think of it, Elon would be very very happy if rocket manufacturers really had to deal with union the way car/plane makers do. That would mean rocketing across space is really like getting on a jet liner. But we all know that's many years away. So yeah, union/non-union is a non-issue for SpaceX.

dalke 12y ago
Could you elaborate on what "the way" means? After all, there are such unions now, like the International Association of Machinist and Aerospace Workers. IAM represents employees at, among others, KSC. Eg, they voted to strike at KSC back in 2007. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/02/AR2007060201434.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06... Ariane also has to deal with unions. You can see direct evidence at http://www.space.com/13037-ariane-5-launch-postponed-labor-strike.html http://www.space.com/13037-ariane-5-launch-postponed-labor-s... . (I mention these because strikes are easily reported in the news. Behind the scenes of course many of the engineers who built Ariane and the Shuttle are union labor, but that fact doesn't have the conflict that brings in readers.) Since I don't see how union labor implies what you think it does, could you clarify?
FiatLuxDave 12y ago
Union/non-union may not seem like an issue inside SpaceX, but the view from other workers in the industry may not match that. Last month, I was at a 4th of July party which happened to be mostly space workers, and when I brought up the subject of SpaceX the consensus was, 'Cool company. I'd totally work there if the salaries weren't so low.' It surprised me, since I tend to associate up-and-coming companies with money from the Valley with higher salaries. There are definitely unions in the aerospace industry. My uncle was involved with a strike at United Launch Alliance a few years ago. It's actually the only time I can remember any member of my family going on a picket line.
- toomuchtodo 12y ago
  You definitely don't work at SpaceX for the money. Their salaries are below market rate, the hours are brutal, but you're bootstrapping planetary travel. Just depends on what your motivations as a person are. Disclaimer: I applied for a low-paying SpaceX IT position in Cape Canaveral, because Mars.

Mvandenbergh 12y ago

Right-to-work or not is almost irrelevant for non-commodity labour anyway.

poopsintub 12y ago

So is Florida, but they would have had to build a new facility on protected land on Merritt Island.