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“Theater” vs. “Theatre”: The Great New York Times Language Swap

• maxmcd 12y ago
  I think I found another one, and it looks like it swapped twice: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Aesthetic.esthetic http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Aesthetic.esthetic Edit: Another: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Archaeology.archeology http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Archaeology.archeology A very early switch: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Toward.towards http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Toward.towards Another: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=catalogue.catalog http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=catalogue.catalog And another: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=centre.center http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=centre.center A weaker one: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=fibre.fiber http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=fibre.fiber
  • Chromozon 12y ago
    Very cool.
  • lstamour 12y ago
    via http://artvoice.com/issues/v12n6/theaterweek http://artvoice.com/issues/v12n6/theaterweek and its suggestions, I found: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=calibre.caliber http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=calibre.caliber (1936) http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=manoeuvre.maneuver http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=manoeuvre.maneuver (1943) http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=sombre.somber http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=sombre.somber (1929) Slightly less clear cut but still strong: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=goitre.goiter&format=count http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=goitre.goiter&format=c... (1935) http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=lustre.luster http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=lustre.luster (1935) http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=meagre.meager http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=meagre.meager (1927) Might be interesting to graph all these next to editor or leadership changes, as well as style guide revisions. Or actually, current events, now that I look at some of the years where it's been sharpest.
  • thret 12y ago
    http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=disk.disc http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=disk.disc
    • gpmcadam 12y ago
      I'm not sure this is a valid comparison as 'disk' and 'disc' aren't synonymous, as evidenced by the lack of a clear pattern of change in the graph.
    • flomo 12y ago
      What this shows is the old NY Times house style oddity where they described CDs as "compact disks" rather than using the trademark Compact Disc. (Pre-1980, it is not clear to me.)
      • CamperBob2 12y ago
        True. The NYT editorial standards have always been downright bullheaded, even with trademarks ("I.B.M.") where they have no authority to contradict anyone else's usage.
  • snogglethorpe 12y ago
    "Tokyo" replaced "Tokio" in about 1930: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=tokyo.tokio http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=tokyo.tokio ["Tokyo" is somewhat closer to the Japanese pronunciation] "Muslim" replaced "moslem" in about 1988: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=moslem.muslim http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=moslem.muslim [Apparently for good reason: http://hnn.us/article/524 http://hnn.us/article/524 ] "Peking" was replaced by "Peiping" in 1930, but it was back to "Peking" in 1962, and then finally changed to "Beijing" in 1985: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=peking.beijing.peiping http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=peking.beijing.peiping
    • NAFV_P 12y ago
      Tokyo used to be called 'Edo'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo
    • oska 12y ago
      The history of, and explanations for, the varieties of names for Beijing ('northern capital') is so complex and detailed that it gets its own wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Beijing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Beijing See also [1]: Bosat Man, Backhill/Peking/Beijing (1990), which is not currently included as a reference in the above wikipedia article. [1] http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp019_peking_beijing.pdf http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp019_peking_beijing....
    • DanBC 12y ago
      Constantinople vs Istanbul shows a nice clean switch: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=constantinople.istanbul http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=constantinople.istanbu... Burma vs Myanmar is messier http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=burma.myanmar http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=burma.myanmar
      • pessimizer 12y ago
        That one is a bit controversial because 'Burma' was changed to 'Myanmar' by the military dictatorship.
  • spingsprong 12y ago
    Rumania vs Romania http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=rumania.romania http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=rumania.romania
    • taejo 12y ago
      Possibly even Roumania vs Rumania vs Romania: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=rumania.romania.roumania http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=rumania.romania.rouman...
  • SixSigma 12y ago
    http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=istanbul.constantinople http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=istanbul.constantinopl... This was by edict "The international name Constantinople also remained in use until the Turkish Postal Service Law of March 28, 1930, according to which all foreign countries were asked to solely use the name Istanbul also in their languages and their postal service networks."
    • DanBC 12y ago
      Compare that to Myanmar / Burma, who also ask people to use the Myanmar form. Since it's not a democratic government there is some resistance to the new name. http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=burma.myanmar http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=burma.myanmar
      • stan_rogers 12y ago
        There was resistance to Istanbul as well; the hit song Istanbul (Not Constantinople) dates from 1953.
    • paul_f 12y ago
      Surely I'm not the only one who instantly thought of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsRuurcTTSk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsRuurcTTSk
  • rdwallis 12y ago
    More interesting for programmers: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=program.programme http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=program.programme And programme seems to be having a very slight resurgence since 2012.
    • jeffbr13 12y ago
      It's "programme" in British-English for everything except "computer program" (in my experience). Probably because most programmer-culture is centred in North America. I imagine that it's simply some NYT writer(s) using the British-English spelling, rather than a wider cultural trend, unless somebody is aware of any other examples?
      • DanBC 12y ago
        One of the articles is about the World Food Programme, so maybe that's it? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/06/business/international/fungus-cripples-coffee-production-across-central-america.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/06/business/international/fun... EDIT: Another is quoting a report from 1856 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/arts/music/bar-and-bathroom-lines-molto-adagio.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/arts/music/bar-and-bathroo...
  • jsmeaton 12y ago
    This is one I've been wondering about for awhile: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=cooperation.co-operation http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=cooperation.co-operati... I thought the change happened somewhere around the 80-90's. Guess it depends on the country also.
    • yxhuvud 12y ago
      It is too bad it doesn't differentiate between cooperation and coöperation.
      • _delirium 12y ago
        Google's version includes coöperation, but it has negligible usage: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cooperation%2Cco-operation%2Cco%C3%B6peration&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cooperation%2C... On the other hand it's possible OCR is missing some of those ¨ and screwing up the data.
    • _delirium 12y ago
      The Google Books dataset suggests the crossover point was around 1905 in AmE, but not until the late 1970s in BrE (modulo the usual caveats about how their data isn't necessarily a representative sample): AmE: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cooperation%2Cco-operation&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=17 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cooperation%2C... BrE: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cooperation%2Cco-operation&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=18 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cooperation%2C...
    • IvyMike 12y ago
      I think there's a general trend towards dropping the hyphen in common words. Knuth talks about this in his discussion over "e-mail" v "email": http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/email.html http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/email.html
  • pacaro 12y ago
    The first of these is still spelled æsthetic in some places. The general convention in US spelling of replacing æ and œ with e seems more jarring to me than other differences in orthography between US and commonwealth English I can't run the nytlabs thing because a) windows phone, and b) when I try to enter æ I get another character... (potentially see (a))
    • _delirium 12y ago
      It's typically spelled aesthetic in American English nowadays (without the ligature). In that one the NYT was a hold-out in the other direction: esthetic never overtook aesthetic in general American usage, though for a period in the 20th century it looked like it might (encyclopedia did definitively displace encyclopaedia). It looks like the NYT wholesale made the ae->e switch around 1920, and then in the case of aesthetic finally realized it wasn't going to happen, and reverted to common usage in 2000.
      • levosmetalo 12y ago
        Seems like US English was bussy replacing German umlaut characters ä, ö, ü (transcribed in ascii as ae, oe, ue) with americanized version.
        • _delirium 12y ago
          These words aren't German borrowings, so that isn't related at all. The ae in this class of words is from Latin æ (ultimately from Greek αι). The ae->e shift was an attempt at spelling simplification, to remove some vestigial Latinisms, but only partially succeeded.
          • waqf 12y ago
            Confusingly, though, German does render Latin æ, œ as ä, ö (ästhetisch, ökonomisch)
            • _delirium 12y ago
  • sspiff 12y ago
    Nice list. Seems like they did a "major" reform around the turn of the century, many examples I've seen seem to be replacement around 1999/2000.
• jacobolus 12y ago
  This was discovered a week ago on Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8090272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8090272
• wyager 12y ago
  These swaps are clearly "non-organic" (i.e. didn't emerge from gradual changes in colloquial language). Are they the result of a change in editing staff? Spelling correction software?
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  • ghshephard 12y ago
    They updated their style guide.
    • gpmcadam 12y ago
      Are the style guides updated to reflect the public use of these words? If so, I imagine if we were to graph the change in use over time in the public would be a much more gradual and organic one?
      • jeffbr13 12y ago
        Yep, as the Google N-Gram view in the article shows, usage of "theater" overtook "theater" in the late 1970s, but the two had quite similar usage rates from the 1940s onwards. Style guides generally update to represent the editorial team's preferences, to reflect changes in the wider world (e.g. see the comment in this thread about "Constaninople"→"Istanbul", or to make a point (see the New Yorker's continued use of diaresis in coöperation etc.[1]) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29#English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29#Engl...
  • briandear 12y ago
    In 1961 there was no spelling correction software.
    • sanoli 12y ago
      "In 1961, Les Earnest, who headed the research on this budding technology, saw it necessary to include the first spell checker that accessed a list of 10,000 acceptable words." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spell_checker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spell_checker
• ghshephard 12y ago
  I could have really used Chronicle in high school english (1987) - I was constantly getting essays handed back with the accusation that I was making up words (said evidence being the lack of the words in my English instructor's somewhat dated dictionary). "Horrific" was one that always got me in trouble - though, apparently, it is a somewhat new word. http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=horrific http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=horrific
• SixSigma 12y ago
  While searching for my own I tried "computer" http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=computer&format=count http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=computer&format=count Virtually none before 1950 except a strange peak in 1938 of 66. My curiosity piqued I dug deeper to find out it was the name of a horse !
• marjwyatt 12y ago
  I was just puzzling about this the other day. I live in the USA and I've always spelled the word as theatre. Only recently, I've noticed that spellcheck is balking at this. It's somewhat comforting to know that my way of spelling the word isn't wrong and I don't really mind that my country wants to spell it differently.
  • rmason 12y ago
    I've always used theatre myself. I always believed that it depended largely on when you first encountered the word in school. If you came of age in the fifties or sixties that was the common spelling of the word. I can even remember movie theatres, pre multiplexes spelling it that way. If you're younger and spell it as theatre then you're an Anglophile;<).
    • icantthinkofone 12y ago
      If a movie theater spelled it as 're' then that was wrong. I think you are mis-remembering.
  • toyg 12y ago
    > It's somewhat comforting to know that my way of spelling the word isn't wrong It might even be more comforting to know that your way is actually more correct, in a traditionalist sense: the Anglo-French theatre comes directly from Greek théatron (through Latin thĕātrum). Somehow "your country" is bent on morphing the word for whatever reason, similarly to what they are doing to center/centre.
    • driverdan 12y ago
      How is theatre more right than theater when comparing it to théatron?
    • tzs 12y ago
      It's not really accurate to say the US is the one doing the morphing. Before the early 19th century, both spellings of most of these words were acceptable in the UK and the US, because these words came into English both from French and from Latin. It's more accurate to say that the UK and the US, when each settled on one of the two spellings as standard, chose to settle differently. This standardization in the US was greatly influenced by Noah Webster and his dictionary. He tended to go with the spelling variant that fit more with how the word was pronounced. His dictionary was influential enough to make those spellings dominant in the US. Those spellings then came to be seen as Americanisms in the UK (even though they had long been acceptable UK spellings...), and so the UK standardized on the other spellings. Webster was also an advocate of spelling simplification, and was responsible for dropping the 'k' from 'musick' and 'publick', and those were picked up in the UK. See: http://www.livescience.com/33844-british-american-word-spelling.html http://www.livescience.com/33844-british-american-word-spell...
• dewiz 12y ago
  on a different angle, "smartphone" first occurrence in 1998, which matches with wikipedia reporting it in 1997 from Ericsson blob:http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/d4661696-f25d-47be-8a83-8996420cb177 http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/d4661696-f25d-47be-8a83-8996420...
  • DanBC 12y ago
    They use "internet" a more than either "www" or "world wide web". http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=internet.www.%22world%20wide%20web%22 http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=internet.www.%22world%... Comparing some of the social networks is interesting: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=twitter.facebook.myspace.friendster.bebo http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=twitter.facebook.myspa... They didn't change connexion to connection: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=connexion.connection http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=connexion.connection No pedophile or paedophile before 1986? http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=paedophile.pedophile http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=paedophile.pedophile I'm vaguely interested about why aluminium has peaks between 1955 and 1970 (although it's always much lower than aluminum) http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=aluminum.aluminium http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=aluminum.aluminium A couple of words show small peaks from 2010: metre http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=meter.metre http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=meter.metre labour http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=labour.labor http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=labour.labor
  • gpmcadam 12y ago
    Something I've noticed (anecdotally) over the past few years in the USA is the switch from the term 'cell phone' to 'mobile phone'. Here in the UK we've used the term 'mobile phone' exclusively I think for the past 20 or 30 years. It's not as clear as other examples, but you can certainly see a visible trend in the last decade: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Mobile%20phone.Cell%20Phone http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=Mobile%20phone.Cell%20...
    • CamperBob2 12y ago
      Kind of amusing to see the archaic term "wireless" start to recover its popularity around 1990.
• itry 12y ago
  Funny, how years get born and then forgotten over time: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=2010.2000.1990.1980.1970.1960.1950.1940.1930.1920.1910.1900.1890.1880.1870.1860.1850 http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=2010.2000.1990.1980.19... There is a little anticipation in the preceding years, then a big explosion in the year itself and then slow decline in the following years.
  • acjohnson55 12y ago
    The secondary peaks 2-4 years out are interesting. Or perhaps it's better conceptualized as troughs the year after. Wonder what the reason is for that?
    • itry 12y ago
      I was thinking about these too. I did not came up with an idea what it could be. Maybe just noise and we interpret something into it?
    • zeckalpha 12y ago
      Elections?
    • jimhefferon 12y ago
      The availability of the substitute "last year" for "2013"?
      • itry 12y ago
        Thats clever! The longer a year has gone, the less likely you will say "last year", "one year ago", "two years ago" and rather go for the years "full name" like "2014". This could be a reason for the revivals.
• icantthinkofone 12y ago
  As an aside, my web dev company runs about 10 web sites for theatre companies and all of them spell their names ending in 're' while the venues they play at spell their names ending in 'er'. The first time we signed up one of these companies, I asked about the spelling and was given the same history as outlined in the article. With the second company that signed us, we mis-typed theatre and were taken to the woodshed for making the error. So we are used to spelling it as theatre in the correct use of the word and are surprised the NY Times has not for many years.
• danieltillett 12y ago
  This is exactly what I have been trying to achieve with my CutSpel Chrome extension - so far not too much interest, but I might try another submission in a little while. http://www.cutspel.com http://www.cutspel.com
  • tnorthcutt 12y ago
    I'd argue there's a vast difference between using two different, accepted spellings of a word, and using a Chrome extension that alters English words, transforming them into not English words.
    • danieltillett 12y ago
      I think you might have misunderstood what cutspel is trying to achieve. This is the same thing as what NYT did by choosing a different spelling - that is to reform English spelling through familiarity with a new spelling. It worked for theater so why not other words. The text on the page after modification by cutspel is still English - just more rationaly spelt.
• codingdave 12y ago
  While the discussion of language is mildly interesting, I suspect these changes are editorial decisions, likely caused by staff changes at the paper.
• dekhn 12y ago
  NY Times used 'cigaret' for 'cigarette' for about a year or so. They switched back in embarassment.
• JacobEdelman 12y ago
  "He" is and has always been more common than "She". http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=she.he http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=she.he
• JacobEdelman 12y ago
  The word "It" has never appeared in the NY Times. http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=it http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=it
  • maxmcd 12y ago
    http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=it.this.that.an.a.these http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=it.this.that.an.a.thes...
  • ubernostrum 12y ago
    Either that or, as the other reply points out, the search function uses the same kind of list of stop words as any other general search.
• thelastpizza 12y ago
  Istanbul, of course, used to be Constantinople, but a long time gone is about 1930: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=istanbul.constantinople http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=istanbul.constantinopl...
• bane 12y ago
  Corea and Korea http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=korea.corea.korean.corean http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=korea.corea.korean.cor... Some history: "Corea" was more common in the English speaking world for the territory we call Korea today. At some point during the Japanese colonial period, as Japan solidified its ownership of the territory, the preferred spelling in English speaking countries became "Korea". ("Corea" is still used in many other languages and neither the Koreans nor the Japanese use Korea or Corea when talking about the peninsula). There's a conspiracy theory that one of the cultural suppression activities the Japanese colonial government took part in (along with forcible language conversion and various geomanctic engineering efforts like driving thousands of iron poles into the ground at traditional seats of Korean power and moving entrance gates to palaces to break the flow of Chi) was broadcasting out to the world that "Korea" was the preferred spelling since it put Korea after Japan in alphabetized lists of countries in English speaking territories. More pragmatically, both spellings were used up until the 20th century. But Korea was relatively unknown in the West outside of mild curiosity. The actual popularization of one spelling over the other seems to be the result of writings on Korea by the U.S. missionary and later consul general at the time, Horace Newton Allen, who exclusively used "Korea" when writing about the country. This spelling was picked up and at the World's Columbian Exhibition in Chicago in 1893, the exhibit listed both spellings as correct, but people were generally told that "Korea" was the preferred spelling. Allen was heavily involved in the planning of the exhibit. On the graph here, you can see that Korea wasn't a topic at all in the NYTs reporting until directly after the exhibition, which seems to have been successful in bringing attention to the country. But the more familiar "Corea" was used until 1897, when it was pretty much dropped in favor or "Korea". Interest stayed low until the Korean war after which the amount of reporting on the country steadily increased.
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• jarnix 12y ago
  booooring
• chestnut-tree 12y ago
  Another difference in usage between British English and American English: In the US, you go to a movie theater to see a film. Or you go to the theater to see a play. In the UK, you go to a cinema to see a film. Going to the theatre is understood to mean going to see a play/musical/performing arts.
  • jahewson 12y ago
    In the US you go to a movie theatre to see a movie.
• wldcordeiro 12y ago
  I've always heard the distinction being that "theater" is general and applies more to movie theaters whereas "theatre" was more specifically stage plays.
• itry 12y ago
  "Yesterday" has suffered greatly lately: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=yesterday http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=yesterday
  • maxmcd 12y ago
    Looks like saying the specific day is now preffered: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=yesterday.monday.tuesday.wednesday.thursday.friday.saturday.sunday http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=yesterday.monday.tuesd... I searched some other rough synonyms of yesterday, but this had the strongest match.
• EEGuy 12y ago
  Dropped to 0.02% circa 1878, stayed about there until a slow trend upwards started in 2012, now at 0.09% in 2014: http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=while.whilst&format=percent http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=while.whilst&format=pe...
• Istof 12y ago
  théatre...
• breakfastKid 12y ago
  In high school chemistry (mid 1990's), I was told that "sulfur" had become standardised over "sulphur". Seems like this began happening in the mid 70's... http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=sulfur.sulphur http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=sulfur.sulphur