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I will too criticize a nation that just spent the last few days bombing children and civilians, breaking basically most of international conventions. My baselin

I will too criticize a nation that just spent the last few days bombing children and civilians, breaking basically most of international conventions. My baseline for criticizing a nation is, and i hope we can all agree to that, killing children.

cbeach 12y ago
When Hamas stores missiles in schools, I think it's pretty clear where the problem lies in this conflict.
- drinchev 12y ago
  I was thinking about this conflict ( I'm neither Israelian nor Palestinian ) and my personal opinion is that if you have more advanced military forces than your opponent you definitely should take responsibility for all casualties ( civilians and military ). I think terrorism is the worst thing that takes lives on our planet right now, but I'm not sure the way to fight with it is killing so many people. I'm keen on covert ops, intelligence, special operations, etc. But when you do massive bombarding of a city with thousands of innocent people I think you are going the wrong way.
  - jjoonathan 12y ago
    I tend to agree with you. "You should be sympathetic to our decision to kill civilians because it's the only way to favorably engage the terrorists!" seems exactly on-par (morally speaking) with "You should be sympathetic to our decision to get civilians killed because it's the only way to favorably engage the oppressive occupation!" It's a prisoner's dilemma through and through. The only way I can see to break the symmetry is to note that one side stands to lose less by appeasing the other.
- richmarr 12y ago
  Do you really, genuinely, believe the problem lies just on one side of this conflict? I'm sure you're smarter than that.
- snori74 12y ago
  OK, if that's the case, it's not good - but how many people did it kill? The Israelis can argue as long as they like that Hamas' actions are the cause, but there's absolutely no doubt that it's Israeli bombs and bullets doing the killing. Even when a "fighter" is targeted, the Israelis may sincerely regret killing 2-3 civilians bystanders as well - but they're undoubtedly innocent civilians killed by Israel all the same.

cbeach 12y ago

When Hamas stores missiles in schools, I think it's pretty clear where the problem lies in this conflict.

drinchev 12y ago
I was thinking about this conflict ( I'm neither Israelian nor Palestinian ) and my personal opinion is that if you have more advanced military forces than your opponent you definitely should take responsibility for all casualties ( civilians and military ). I think terrorism is the worst thing that takes lives on our planet right now, but I'm not sure the way to fight with it is killing so many people. I'm keen on covert ops, intelligence, special operations, etc. But when you do massive bombarding of a city with thousands of innocent people I think you are going the wrong way.
- jjoonathan 12y ago
  I tend to agree with you. "You should be sympathetic to our decision to kill civilians because it's the only way to favorably engage the terrorists!" seems exactly on-par (morally speaking) with "You should be sympathetic to our decision to get civilians killed because it's the only way to favorably engage the oppressive occupation!" It's a prisoner's dilemma through and through. The only way I can see to break the symmetry is to note that one side stands to lose less by appeasing the other.
richmarr 12y ago
Do you really, genuinely, believe the problem lies just on one side of this conflict? I'm sure you're smarter than that.
snori74 12y ago
OK, if that's the case, it's not good - but how many people did it kill? The Israelis can argue as long as they like that Hamas' actions are the cause, but there's absolutely no doubt that it's Israeli bombs and bullets doing the killing. Even when a "fighter" is targeted, the Israelis may sincerely regret killing 2-3 civilians bystanders as well - but they're undoubtedly innocent civilians killed by Israel all the same.