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Yes, and the researchers aren't even considering the possibility that these women sound incompetent when talking to men, because they actually, comparatively, a

by drz 12y ago

Yes, and the researchers aren't even considering the possibility that these women sound incompetent when talking to men, because they actually, comparatively, are. They discount the most obvious explanation without even testing for it, and expect to be taken seriously. What a joke.

sp332 12y ago
Women suddenly become less competent when talking to men?
- drz 12y ago
  The obvious hypothesis is that women sound less competent when talking to men because they are less competent than men, on average. They don't sound less competent when talking to women because they aren't less competent than other women, on average. Playing dumb won't help you win this argument. It will just make you look just as dumb as the researchers.
  - sp332 12y ago
    http://schmader.psych.ubc.ca/publications/2011/Talking%20shop%20and%20shooting%20the%20breeze%202011.pdf http://schmader.psych.ubc.ca/publications/2011/Talking%20sho... our male and female samples were matched by rank, discipline, and research productivity and impact The particular men and women chosen for the study were not, objectively speaking, different in competence. This is a study of perceived competence.
    - drz 12y ago
      > because they are less competent than men, on average. Not necessarily in comparison to the specific researcher they're talking to. On average. Reading comprehension is a great skill. You should look into it.
      - sp332 12y ago
        I was responding to your post: Yes, and the researchers aren't even considering the possibility that these women sound incompetent when talking to men, because they actually, comparatively, are. The researchers were investigating how much of the perceived competence difference was real and how much was a difference in perception only. So they controlled for actual differences, and found a large difference in the way equally-competent men and women are perceived.
        drz 12y ago
        You keep playing dumb. It's not working for you. It won't ever work for you. The hypothesis is that the exhibited feeling of incompetence is because men are better than women on average. How many times will I have to repeat this until you get it?
        sp332 12y ago
        Oh it's you who has this hypothesis. I thought you were referring to something in on of the links I posted. So if that's your hypothesis, why not look for a study that tested it? http://www.economist.com/node/11449804 http://www.economist.com/node/11449804 http://www.voanews.com/content/girls-get-better-grades-than-boys-math-science/1904864.html http://www.voanews.com/content/girls-get-better-grades-than-... But aside from that, wouldn't you like to get the women are are actually good at math and science to get into STEM fields, even if they are a minority? I think that's a question we can actually do something about, even if we can't change how good women are at science. http://www.macleans.ca/general/girls-good-at-math-half-as-likely-to-study-stem/ http://www.macleans.ca/general/girls-good-at-math-half-as-li... I'd like to encourage good female programmers, however many of them there are, to go into programming jobs.
        quantized 12y ago
        Has changing goalposts ever worked for you?
        12y ago

by drz 12y ago

sp332 12y ago

Women suddenly become less competent when talking to men?

drz 12y ago
The obvious hypothesis is that women sound less competent when talking to men because they are less competent than men, on average. They don't sound less competent when talking to women because they aren't less competent than other women, on average. Playing dumb won't help you win this argument. It will just make you look just as dumb as the researchers.
- sp332 12y ago
  http://schmader.psych.ubc.ca/publications/2011/Talking%20shop%20and%20shooting%20the%20breeze%202011.pdf http://schmader.psych.ubc.ca/publications/2011/Talking%20sho... our male and female samples were matched by rank, discipline, and research productivity and impact The particular men and women chosen for the study were not, objectively speaking, different in competence. This is a study of perceived competence.
  - drz 12y ago
    > because they are less competent than men, on average. Not necessarily in comparison to the specific researcher they're talking to. On average. Reading comprehension is a great skill. You should look into it.
    - sp332 12y ago
      I was responding to your post: Yes, and the researchers aren't even considering the possibility that these women sound incompetent when talking to men, because they actually, comparatively, are. The researchers were investigating how much of the perceived competence difference was real and how much was a difference in perception only. So they controlled for actual differences, and found a large difference in the way equally-competent men and women are perceived.
      - drz 12y ago
        You keep playing dumb. It's not working for you. It won't ever work for you. The hypothesis is that the exhibited feeling of incompetence is because men are better than women on average. How many times will I have to repeat this until you get it?
        sp332 12y ago
        Oh it's you who has this hypothesis. I thought you were referring to something in on of the links I posted. So if that's your hypothesis, why not look for a study that tested it? http://www.economist.com/node/11449804 http://www.economist.com/node/11449804 http://www.voanews.com/content/girls-get-better-grades-than-boys-math-science/1904864.html http://www.voanews.com/content/girls-get-better-grades-than-... But aside from that, wouldn't you like to get the women are are actually good at math and science to get into STEM fields, even if they are a minority? I think that's a question we can actually do something about, even if we can't change how good women are at science. http://www.macleans.ca/general/girls-good-at-math-half-as-likely-to-study-stem/ http://www.macleans.ca/general/girls-good-at-math-half-as-li... I'd like to encourage good female programmers, however many of them there are, to go into programming jobs.
        quantized 12y ago
        Has changing goalposts ever worked for you?
        12y ago