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Its shit at those things as well. Months of VSTO and Outlook forms will make you realise it's a pile of crap.

by pling 12y ago

snsr 12y ago
I believe Outlook is still using Word to render HTML content in emails as well.
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- pbhjpbhj 12y ago
  Which is ridiculous but strikes me to be done so as to ensure that emails prepared in MS Word render correctly in Outlook? Of course they could fix MS Word's HTML output and fix Outlook to use MSIE's rendering engine ... but that'd only reduce lockin by allowing Outlook users emails to be read properly in other MUA. Never going to happen.
  - yuhong 12y ago
    What is funny is that Word 2013 can be configured to generate pages that even MS's own IE10 won't render properly by default.
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- oneeyedpigeon 12y ago
  HTML content in emails is the real WTF. I wonder why no-one ever invented a nice markup format for email? Probably because the only type of person qualified to do that wouldn't be seen dead sending non-plain-text email.
  - scoopr 12y ago
    Like text/enriched[0]? Though I guess it might not count as "nice" [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_text
- frik 12y ago
  The compose window of Outlook is WinWord. Outlook (up to 2003) used Trident (Internet Explorer engine) to show HTML-mails. Nowadays Outlook HTML view is powered by Word layout engine as well (for security reasons, as MS said). It cannot handle many CSS style elements, background color and is stuck with HTML 4.
  - yuhong 12y ago
    The compose window of Outlook is WinWord. I believe up to 2003 this was an option that was not enabled by default too.
    - frik 12y ago
      Outlook 97-2013 use Word for the compose window. It's not an option, it's how it works behind the scene (Win32 COM components). e.g. an known Outlook 2010 bug (with Exchange 2013) crash the Outlook client on startup. But you can still open *.msg files, it opens the mail in a window and one can edit the mail. It's all about Bill Gates vision "information at your fingertips" from the early nineties and the Cairo operating system. Watch this video from Bill Gates Comdex '90: http://youtu.be/kL8zoQVJaD8?t=19m26s http://youtu.be/kL8zoQVJaD8?t=19m26s Cairo '91-'96: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_operating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_operating_system
      - yuhong 12y ago
        Outlook 97-2003 has it as an option, 2007+ don't. And BTW the Outlook 97-2003 and 2007+ implementations of this feature are different too (MS split most of Word into wwlib.dll in Word 2007).

Its shit at those things as well. Months of VSTO and Outlook forms will make you realise it's a pile of crap.

by pling 12y ago

Its shit at those things as well. Months of VSTO and Outlook forms will make you realise it's a pile of crap.

snsr 12y ago

I believe Outlook is still using Word to render HTML content in emails as well.

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pbhjpbhj 12y ago
Which is ridiculous but strikes me to be done so as to ensure that emails prepared in MS Word render correctly in Outlook? Of course they could fix MS Word's HTML output and fix Outlook to use MSIE's rendering engine ... but that'd only reduce lockin by allowing Outlook users emails to be read properly in other MUA. Never going to happen.
- yuhong 12y ago
  What is funny is that Word 2013 can be configured to generate pages that even MS's own IE10 won't render properly by default.
deleted 12y ago
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oneeyedpigeon 12y ago
HTML content in emails is the real WTF. I wonder why no-one ever invented a nice markup format for email? Probably because the only type of person qualified to do that wouldn't be seen dead sending non-plain-text email.
- scoopr 12y ago
  Like text/enriched[0]? Though I guess it might not count as "nice" [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_text
frik 12y ago
The compose window of Outlook is WinWord. Outlook (up to 2003) used Trident (Internet Explorer engine) to show HTML-mails. Nowadays Outlook HTML view is powered by Word layout engine as well (for security reasons, as MS said). It cannot handle many CSS style elements, background color and is stuck with HTML 4.
- yuhong 12y ago
  The compose window of Outlook is WinWord. I believe up to 2003 this was an option that was not enabled by default too.
  - frik 12y ago
    Outlook 97-2013 use Word for the compose window. It's not an option, it's how it works behind the scene (Win32 COM components). e.g. an known Outlook 2010 bug (with Exchange 2013) crash the Outlook client on startup. But you can still open *.msg files, it opens the mail in a window and one can edit the mail. It's all about Bill Gates vision "information at your fingertips" from the early nineties and the Cairo operating system. Watch this video from Bill Gates Comdex '90: http://youtu.be/kL8zoQVJaD8?t=19m26s http://youtu.be/kL8zoQVJaD8?t=19m26s Cairo '91-'96: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_operating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_operating_system
    - yuhong 12y ago
      Outlook 97-2003 has it as an option, 2007+ don't. And BTW the Outlook 97-2003 and 2007+ implementations of this feature are different too (MS split most of Word into wwlib.dll in Word 2007).