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I wish you would read what I'm writing instead of what you want me to (not) be writing. >The article never stated that Page was building a private army. You di
by nmrm 12y ago
I wish you would read what I'm writing instead of what you want me to (not) be writing.
>The article never stated that Page was building a private army. You did.
Oh come on. It's the entire damn point of the article. Without this running narrative, the article's just a list of Google's most successful products and its recent acquisitions. Despite your claim, the article isn't simply a list. And the editorializing is the only reason this article is on the front page of HN. Period.
I realize it's just a rhetorical device, but the article reads still like a conspiracy theory. The only thing this article does is, at best, lump critics of Google's privacy behavior in with conspiracy nuts.
And there's no reason to appeal to fantastical "what-if's" when there are real, demonstrable problems.
> Why can't it be both-and vs. either-or?
It can be (see below), and I think the notion that I somehow implied Google's new expansions cannot be problematic is mostly a fabrication of your indigence.
It's just that I think the narrative of the article is completely ridiculous and trivializes actual avenues for abuse.
What is Google doing to do with military technology? It has 3 options:
1. Use it to create technology which augments its other ventures.
2. Sell to US Govt or our allies.
3. Create a private army or sell to our enemies.
2 and 3 don't worry me for the same reason I don't worry about Boeing taking over the world; military tech is closely monitored and regulated. I don't have to know Page's motives to know that he knows that if he were try try 3, he'd probably end up in prison or dead.
I don't have to be omniscient to assume he probably wouldn't take that kind of risk. And hell, I don't even need to know anything about him to know that if he did, the US military would be able to easily unilaterally shut him down.
Scenario 1 worries me (despite what you've read into my previous comments), but it's really just an additional element of the privacy problem. And the author was too busy telling a cute story to focus on non-insane potential avenues of abuse.
TL;DR: Rhetoric matters, and the rhetoric of this article is unhelpful at best, and possibly harmful.
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- unclebucknasty 12y agoI didn't think my now deleted grandparent comment was inflammatory, but judging from your responses, I see that I've inadvertently angered you. In any event, this is not constructive. So, I've deleted the grandparent. No harm intended. Take care. UPDATE: I see that you've edited and deleted some of your posts, removed expletives, etc. So, perhaps you've calmed a bit. Still, while I appreciate you sharing your views, it's probably best to wrap this thread. No further comments from me will be forthcoming. Take care.
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- nmrm 12y agoThe point is that ALTHOUGH Google's recent acquisitions might be problematic from a privacy perspective, painting them as something more sinister is a cheap rhetorical device which, at best, provides an easy straw-man for genuine concerns about Google's behavior wrt privacy. (edit: added this in a desperate attempt to explain what I've been trying to say since my first comment) Also, my position has been consistent. I'm editing so much because I feel the need to write very, VERY clearly for you, because you seem to misinterpret everything that's not extremely carefully stated. {edit: and upon additional review after posting, I realize that there's some tiny thing that you could misinterpret. So I go back an edit; mostly slight rewording} E.g. the "apparent contradiction" you pointed out isn't at all -- it's a conspiracy theory that the article's author doesn't believe, which makes it a a rhetorical device. Please feel free to point out any others. {edit: grammar. Also, yeah, triple posts! Is this better?} {edit: also, I always stop editing after the first comment, but usually not before. The point of indicating edits to prevent diverging discussion and lack of context; as long as there's no reply, I don't see the annoying edit comments as necessary. Sorry if I offended you...}