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It's been proven these arbitrary restrictions don't actually enhance security. We need to see the TSA move to behavioral analysis for them to actually make a di

It's been proven these arbitrary restrictions don't actually enhance security. We need to see the TSA move to behavioral analysis for them to actually make a difference.

middleclick 12y ago
I am quite naive in these matters but I see two reasons why this won't happen: 1). This will effectively tear down the security theater (again, I assume this is what it is and may be uninformed that there is a real threat). 2). It is difficult to train a large number of personnel to perform behavioral analysis given the traffic the US airports handle.
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- ams6110 12y ago
  israel reportedly does a good job at it. Of course they only have to deal with a few airports.
  - ZanyProgrammer 12y ago
    I wouldn't want to travel to Israel as an Arab or a Muslim though.
  - infectoid 12y ago
    Yeah, I have to admit that they do a good job of screening you without making you feel like you've done something wrong. Still felt that I was targeted for some reason, but they helped me skip a few queues once they confirmed everything was in order. Net result was a fairly neutral experience. Which is kind of good I guess.
  - MBCook 12y ago
    Israeil has a small population/traveler count and a relatively direct threat. The US has a huge population/traveler count and a vague possibility of threat. That may not work here.
chimeracoder 12y ago
> It's been proven these arbitrary restrictions don't actually enhance security. Agreed. > We need to see the TSA move to behavioral analysis for them to actually make a difference. They've tried this. In practice, it ends up being a very thin cover for racial profiling[0]. Of course, when the TSA itself admits[1] that there is no evidence of a threat of terrorism against aviation in the US, it's not surprising that more "advanced" techniques of detecting terrorism prove to be ineffective. [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/us/racial-profiling-at-boston-airport-officials-say.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/us/racial-profiling-at-bos... [1] http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/tsa-admits-in-leaked-doc-no-evidence-of-terrorist-plots-against-aviation-in-us/ http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/tsa-admits-...
- waps 12y ago
  Of course there's a flip side of this coin. I think it's a very good bet that this action was not taken in a vacuum. So someone disguised a weapon or a bomb as an electronic device in their hand luggage, and got it on board and was caught. So who takes responsibility ? Because that's the million dollar question, although in this case, more like 100 million dollar question. If you make the TSA less onerous and the result is a plane plowing into a skyscraper, who pays ? I think this action is at least partially the result of insurance companies saying "not us". Do you have a better answer ?
chrismcb 12y ago
To make what sort of difference? Abolishing the TSA would probably have the exact same effect.

It's been proven these arbitrary restrictions don't actually enhance security. We need to see the TSA move to behavioral analysis for them to actually make a difference.

middleclick 12y ago

I am quite naive in these matters but I see two reasons why this won't happen: 1). This will effectively tear down the security theater (again, I assume this is what it is and may be uninformed that there is a real threat). 2). It is difficult to train a large number of personnel to perform behavioral analysis given the traffic the US airports handle.

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ams6110 12y ago
israel reportedly does a good job at it. Of course they only have to deal with a few airports.
- ZanyProgrammer 12y ago
  I wouldn't want to travel to Israel as an Arab or a Muslim though.
- infectoid 12y ago
  Yeah, I have to admit that they do a good job of screening you without making you feel like you've done something wrong. Still felt that I was targeted for some reason, but they helped me skip a few queues once they confirmed everything was in order. Net result was a fairly neutral experience. Which is kind of good I guess.
- MBCook 12y ago
  Israeil has a small population/traveler count and a relatively direct threat. The US has a huge population/traveler count and a vague possibility of threat. That may not work here.

chimeracoder 12y ago

> It's been proven these arbitrary restrictions don't actually enhance security. Agreed. > We need to see the TSA move to behavioral analysis for them to actually make a difference. They've tried this. In practice, it ends up being a very thin cover for racial profiling[0]. Of course, when the TSA itself admits[1] that there is no evidence of a threat of terrorism against aviation in the US, it's not surprising that more "advanced" techniques of detecting terrorism prove to be ineffective. [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/us/racial-profiling-at-boston-airport-officials-say.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/us/racial-profiling-at-bos... [1] http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/tsa-admits-in-leaked-doc-no-evidence-of-terrorist-plots-against-aviation-in-us/ http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/tsa-admits-...

waps 12y ago
Of course there's a flip side of this coin. I think it's a very good bet that this action was not taken in a vacuum. So someone disguised a weapon or a bomb as an electronic device in their hand luggage, and got it on board and was caught. So who takes responsibility ? Because that's the million dollar question, although in this case, more like 100 million dollar question. If you make the TSA less onerous and the result is a plane plowing into a skyscraper, who pays ? I think this action is at least partially the result of insurance companies saying "not us". Do you have a better answer ?

chrismcb 12y ago

To make what sort of difference? Abolishing the TSA would probably have the exact same effect.