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The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women see

The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in at a time!" Which of course means a huge amount of straight white dudes on the site and no transparency about what is submitted or chosen to be on the site.

derefr 12y ago
> to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it That's an odd way to say that; are you trying to say that nepotism in general is inherently misogynistic in some way? I mean, sure, Ryan's buddies are straight white dudes because Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. But if Ryan was a gay black lady, nepotism wouldn't somehow cause her to want to hire straight white dudes nonetheless, would it?
- Rapzid 12y ago
  That would be prejudice or sexism anyway. I'm with derefr; please explain how PH's processes are characterized by the hared of women. That's a rather strong claim to be tossing around flippantly.
- rhizome 12y ago
  Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. Diversity is a cultural trait.
  - frogpelt 12y ago
    For some.
nothxbro 12y ago
@derefr Yes, that would happen. Thats why the PH way of doing things is shitty.
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- rrhoover 12y ago
  There were a lot of guys at the Apple + PH event a few weeks ago, as with most startup/tech events in San Francisco from my experience.
rrhoover 12y ago
Product Hunt started with my startup friends -- mostly guys, not dissimilar from Silicon Valley in general. You're absolutely right that Product Hunt needs more gender diversity and it's something we're working on. This topic has been on my mind well before it came up in a recent thread on PH (http://www.producthunt.com/posts/made-with-code http://www.producthunt.com/posts/made-with-code). Erik and I spent the last few weeks emailing dozens of women in the community to (1) get their thoughts on the product and (2) ask for recommendations of other women they know that might be interested in contributing. We have a long way to go but it has helped. We're working on a recommendation system to give people in the community the opportunity to invite new contributors. Additionally, we will soon have a new posting flow to allow anyone to submit products to be curated by the community. These won't solve the diversity problem but will help make things more transparent. If you have suggestions or ideas on how we can make it more inclusive and welcoming to a broader audience, please share. EDIT: I'm also trying to get more women on the Product Hunt podcast (e.g. https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/480421396690907138 https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/480421396690907138). I have 3 scheduled over the next month with women founders and investors.
- jgh 12y ago
  Open it up to everyone, that's how you can make it more inclusive. edit: The invite-only thing is incredibly lame. I signed up a few minutes ago to see what product hunt was all about because it was being discussed in this thread (never heard of it before). I doubt I'll lose any sleep over forgetting its existence.
  - danielhonigman 12y ago
    That's a great point. So many sites - including TC/VB - are the same folks all the time. And they might be keeping up with startup news, but they aren't potential end users.
duncanblair 12y ago
"The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented." Quick anecdote to rebut this, I was 'selected' to submit. I don't know Ryan, other than I know who he is. I don't know anyone that knows Ryan (I don't think). Like pretty much everyone reading this comment, I am pretty sure he has no idea who I am. I follow him on Twitter, he doesn't follow me. I was 'selected' because I hit Ryan up on Twitter with a quick link to our product, he took a look and decided it was interesting enough for PH, so gave me permission to submit. It was that simple. Granted, I certainly don't tick any diversity boxes, but I think it would be a stretch to suggest that my ethnicity, gender, or sexuality had anything to do with my selection. For transparency, here is the conversation that lead to my 'selection': https://twitter.com/phixx/status/469208498597679105 https://twitter.com/phixx/status/469208498597679105 And here is the outcome: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/alleyoop http://www.producthunt.com/posts/alleyoop Disclaimer: I like shiny new things, and PH scratches that itch for me.

derefr 12y ago

> to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it That's an odd way to say that; are you trying to say that nepotism in general is inherently misogynistic in some way? I mean, sure, Ryan's buddies are straight white dudes because Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. But if Ryan was a gay black lady, nepotism wouldn't somehow cause her to want to hire straight white dudes nonetheless, would it?

Rapzid 12y ago
That would be prejudice or sexism anyway. I'm with derefr; please explain how PH's processes are characterized by the hared of women. That's a rather strong claim to be tossing around flippantly.
rhizome 12y ago
Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. Diversity is a cultural trait.
- frogpelt 12y ago
  For some.

nothxbro 12y ago

@derefr Yes, that would happen. Thats why the PH way of doing things is shitty.

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rrhoover 12y ago
There were a lot of guys at the Apple + PH event a few weeks ago, as with most startup/tech events in San Francisco from my experience.

rrhoover 12y ago

Product Hunt started with my startup friends -- mostly guys, not dissimilar from Silicon Valley in general. You're absolutely right that Product Hunt needs more gender diversity and it's something we're working on. This topic has been on my mind well before it came up in a recent thread on PH (http://www.producthunt.com/posts/made-with-code http://www.producthunt.com/posts/made-with-code). Erik and I spent the last few weeks emailing dozens of women in the community to (1) get their thoughts on the product and (2) ask for recommendations of other women they know that might be interested in contributing. We have a long way to go but it has helped. We're working on a recommendation system to give people in the community the opportunity to invite new contributors. Additionally, we will soon have a new posting flow to allow anyone to submit products to be curated by the community. These won't solve the diversity problem but will help make things more transparent. If you have suggestions or ideas on how we can make it more inclusive and welcoming to a broader audience, please share. EDIT: I'm also trying to get more women on the Product Hunt podcast (e.g. https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/480421396690907138 https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/480421396690907138). I have 3 scheduled over the next month with women founders and investors.

jgh 12y ago
Open it up to everyone, that's how you can make it more inclusive. edit: The invite-only thing is incredibly lame. I signed up a few minutes ago to see what product hunt was all about because it was being discussed in this thread (never heard of it before). I doubt I'll lose any sleep over forgetting its existence.
- danielhonigman 12y ago
  That's a great point. So many sites - including TC/VB - are the same folks all the time. And they might be keeping up with startup news, but they aren't potential end users.

duncanblair 12y ago

"The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented." Quick anecdote to rebut this, I was 'selected' to submit. I don't know Ryan, other than I know who he is. I don't know anyone that knows Ryan (I don't think). Like pretty much everyone reading this comment, I am pretty sure he has no idea who I am. I follow him on Twitter, he doesn't follow me. I was 'selected' because I hit Ryan up on Twitter with a quick link to our product, he took a look and decided it was interesting enough for PH, so gave me permission to submit. It was that simple. Granted, I certainly don't tick any diversity boxes, but I think it would be a stretch to suggest that my ethnicity, gender, or sexuality had anything to do with my selection. For transparency, here is the conversation that lead to my 'selection': https://twitter.com/phixx/status/469208498597679105 https://twitter.com/phixx/status/469208498597679105 And here is the outcome: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/alleyoop http://www.producthunt.com/posts/alleyoop Disclaimer: I like shiny new things, and PH scratches that itch for me.