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Worth noting is that this was essentially number one on product hunt, above all other items. Meaning, the product hunt results shown are the absolute best resu
by nothxbro 12y ago
Worth noting is that this was essentially number one on product hunt, above all other items.
Meaning, the product hunt results shown are the absolute best result you could hope for and most users will receive a far smaller amount of visits. PH gets a bit of hype because its invite only and people assume it has a big impact, but for most folk it would be much more impactful for their launch to even be on a smaller tech blog like Read/write or recode.
For the average person who gets on PH and gets the normal amount of upvotes (around 10-20 ) you can expect a blistering 250-500 visits. You would get more traction just posting a comment in a HN article. PH seems more powerful because its invite only and has tons of hype around it, but it does not deliver on results yet.
Surprised that HN numbers were so high, but not surprised that Techcrunch was number one. They still have a great share of the market when it comes to initial exposure.
- minimaxir 12y agoA good rule of thumb with Hacker News is that you get 90-100 unique visitors for every upvote on a post given that it hits the front page. (as someone whose blog has hit the top of HN multiple times, I can attest to this) The app received 6100 hits with 76 HN points, so that's a good estimate. I'm not a fan of Product Hunt because it's an echo chamber personified. It's what happened to Quora, and I don't think that strategy will work twice.
- aagha 12y agoI'm not a fan of Product Hunt because it's an echo chamber personified. It's what happened to Quora, and I don't think that strategy will work twice. Here here. I think Product Hunt is interesting to look at once in a while to see what others think is hot, but I hate the closed nature of it. There's no obvious way to get selected to make submissions or comments. In fact, when I read Carlos Bueno's post on QZ, the first thing I thought of was Product Hunt--an echo chamber of like-minded folks with their own exclusive club on who gets to submit which startup; and not only just submit, but even comment! It's a fantastic article worth reading: The next thing Silicon Valley needs to disrupt big time: its own culture http://qz.com/225782/the-next-thing-silicon-valley-needs-to-disrupt-big-time-its-own-culture/ http://qz.com/225782/the-next-thing-silicon-valley-needs-to-... Someone's created a "product hunt-like" subreddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/producthunt http://www.reddit.com/r/producthunt) that I think is actually a better idea: Anyone can up-vote a submission, anyone can comment, and moderators can separate the wheat from the chaff. Too bad it's not more popular. EDIT: Fixed typo
- nothxbro 12y agoThe way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in at a time!" Which of course means a huge amount of straight white dudes on the site and no transparency about what is submitted or chosen to be on the site.
- derefr 12y ago> to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it That's an odd way to say that; are you trying to say that nepotism in general is inherently misogynistic in some way? I mean, sure, Ryan's buddies are straight white dudes because Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. But if Ryan was a gay black lady, nepotism wouldn't somehow cause her to want to hire straight white dudes nonetheless, would it?
- Rapzid 12y agoThat would be prejudice or sexism anyway. I'm with derefr; please explain how PH's processes are characterized by the hared of women. That's a rather strong claim to be tossing around flippantly.
- rhizome 12y agoRyan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. Diversity is a cultural trait.
- frogpelt 12y agoFor some.
- nothxbro 12y ago
- murtza 12y agoI mod /r/SideProject, which is a subreddit similar to Product Hunt. Do you have any recommendations on how to prevent the subreddit from turning into an echo chamber? http://www.reddit.com/r/sideproject http://www.reddit.com/r/sideproject
- aagha 12y agoHave you thought about joining forces w/ /r/producthunt and/or /r/startups?
- murtza 12y ago/r/startups and /r/sideproject currently have linkbacks to each other. Are there any other ways you would suggest?
- danielhonigman 12y agoI think that much of it comes down to community management. (e.g. preventing trolls from taking over, continuing discussion threads)
- willvarfar 12y agoYeah my stats were 100:1 too: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/18839832580/reddit-vs-hacker-news-vs-twitter http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/18839832580/reddi...
- ericd 12y agoBased on my relatively small sample size (a couple of times on HN frontpage and TC), a feature about a utility like this that sits on the Lifehacker homepage for any significant amount of time will demolish the sources mentioned here in terms of actual resulting usage.
- mathouc 12y agoI'd love to compare. Any tips?
- ericd 12y agoI think Lifehacker editors read a variety of blogs, so if you appear in one of those, you probably have a better chance of getting noticed. It's been a while, but probably smaller blogs that are focused on new companies - KillerStartups, MakeUseOf, ProgrammableWeb, that sort of thing. You can also try emailing them (tips@lifehacker), but I imagine that they don't read all of those.
- mathouc 12y agoI'll try. Thanks
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- rrhoover 12y agoI just pulled a list of the top most trafficked products (by unique outbound clicks) posted to Product Hunt in the past week: 1) Meeet http://www.producthunt.com/posts/meeet http://www.producthunt.com/posts/meeet - 4,827 2) ProducTind http://www.producthunt.com/posts/productind http://www.producthunt.com/posts/productind - 4,301 3) Fatherly http://www.producthunt.com/posts/fatherly http://www.producthunt.com/posts/fatherly - 4,036 4) Moment http://www.producthunt.com/posts/moment-2 http://www.producthunt.com/posts/moment-2 - 3,833 5) NEED http://www.producthunt.com/posts/need http://www.producthunt.com/posts/need - 3,815 6) Grasswire http://www.producthunt.com/posts/grasswire http://www.producthunt.com/posts/grasswire - 3,802 7) HTML 5 Up http://www.producthunt.com/posts/html-5-up http://www.producthunt.com/posts/html-5-up - 3,775 8) Machete http://www.producthunt.com/posts/machete http://www.producthunt.com/posts/machete - 3,534 9) Withings Activité http://www.producthunt.com/posts/withings-activite http://www.producthunt.com/posts/withings-activite - 3,052 10) YIX http://www.producthunt.com/posts/yix http://www.producthunt.com/posts/yix - 3,043 Note this includes clicks in the email and on the site but doesn't account for referrals via Twitter and other WOM channels.
- redm 12y agoIt's also worth noting that these services do not live in a vacuum. People seeing the story on Hacker News may well have later seen the story on Techcrunch but skipped over it. I read all three websites daily so I would be counted where I simply saw the story first.