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Any concrete example of issues with Swing, or just general discomfort?

staticelf 12y ago
The font rendering for Linux is terrible. Just look at Intellij IDEA in ubuntu for example. It's a wonderful editor but I can't use it since it is almost not readable.
- noir_lord 12y ago
  This is a real problem one thing worth trying is Terminus at 16/12pt it's a pixel perfect font created as a TTF so requires no aliasing etc. Completely solved the issue for me.
- stephen 12y ago
  FWIW this patch: http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ https://launchpad.net/~no1wantdthisname/+archive/openjdk-fontfix https://launchpad.net/~no1wantdthisname/+archive/openjdk-fon... Makes IntelliJ fonts actually look good on Linux. It's unbelievable how much better they look, and why no one has fixed this before. I might actually switch to IntelliJ now.
- jebblue 12y ago
  >> The font rendering for Linux is terrible. Ubuntu fonts are great, which Linux are you talking about and is this recent as in the last 5 years experience or is it qualified non-sense on your part? >> Just look at Intellij IDEA in ubuntu for example. I have, I'm not impressed overall though on Ubuntu the fonts are fine. I stick with Eclipse because SWT was and is a brilliant idea, the widgets don't just look native, they _are_ native. That bears repeating, with SWT, the widgets don't just look native, they _ARE_ native.
  - ptx 12y ago
    Swing does its own font rendering, so the fonts look wrong[0] on every platform. [0] Where "wrong" means "different from what is expected on the platform" – until we get higher-resolution screens font rendering is a compromise between sharpness and correctness-of-shape; different platforms make different choices; users adjust to the specific choices their platform has made. To observe this in the wild, read any discussion of Safari on Windows.

The font rendering for Linux is terrible. Just look at Intellij IDEA in ubuntu for example. It's a wonderful editor but I can't use it since it is almost not readable.

noir_lord 12y ago
This is a real problem one thing worth trying is Terminus at 16/12pt it's a pixel perfect font created as a TTF so requires no aliasing etc. Completely solved the issue for me.
stephen 12y ago
FWIW this patch: http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ https://launchpad.net/~no1wantdthisname/+archive/openjdk-fontfix https://launchpad.net/~no1wantdthisname/+archive/openjdk-fon... Makes IntelliJ fonts actually look good on Linux. It's unbelievable how much better they look, and why no one has fixed this before. I might actually switch to IntelliJ now.
jebblue 12y ago
>> The font rendering for Linux is terrible. Ubuntu fonts are great, which Linux are you talking about and is this recent as in the last 5 years experience or is it qualified non-sense on your part? >> Just look at Intellij IDEA in ubuntu for example. I have, I'm not impressed overall though on Ubuntu the fonts are fine. I stick with Eclipse because SWT was and is a brilliant idea, the widgets don't just look native, they _are_ native. That bears repeating, with SWT, the widgets don't just look native, they _ARE_ native.
- ptx 12y ago
  Swing does its own font rendering, so the fonts look wrong[0] on every platform. [0] Where "wrong" means "different from what is expected on the platform" – until we get higher-resolution screens font rendering is a compromise between sharpness and correctness-of-shape; different platforms make different choices; users adjust to the specific choices their platform has made. To observe this in the wild, read any discussion of Safari on Windows.