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Opera 10 released.

47 points by sarvesh 17y ago

garply 17y ago
But the download link is broken for me. Anyone else?
- kierank 17y ago
  It's because they have a tracking script that is overloaded and thus can't redirect you to the mirror url.
- aw3c2 17y ago
  Dig through ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/ to find your file.
onreact-com 17y ago
I hope they fixed their automatic update. I can't switch it off but each time it does update my interface customization is gone. It happens every few weeks.
DanHulton 17y ago
Ahhh, upgraded to this from the 10 beta and my biggest gripe is finally gone! It USED to be that if you clicked a right-click menu outside of the control it was opened in, it wouldn't execute the action of that click. (For example, if I right click in this textbox and "copy" is outside this textbox, it wouldn't copy.) Now? Fixed! Proof? Now? Fixed!
- aw3c2 17y ago
  I can't believe it! This annoyed me so much and I could not find the culprit. Installing it right now. Oh happy day.
  - aw3c2 17y ago
    Actually it still happens a lot to me. :(
- fnid 17y ago
  cannot reproduce. which os are you on? It works for me.
  - aw3c2 17y ago
    I guess it might be related to disabling "focus for new windows", prevent focus stealing et cetera in one's OS. At least I use that.
cglee 17y ago
I can't use Opera because I rely on 1Password so much now.
- travisjeffery 17y ago
  Same, if a browser doesn't support 1Password then it will need some serious other benefits to sway me into using it. I'm looking forward to when Google releases Chrome so that the 1Password dev's will write an extension for it.
zandorg 17y ago
Bah, it's got that thing where I click a link and it picks a link further up the page. Also, it uses 40% more memory than before and I can't be bothered putting back v9.64. Darn!
extension 17y ago
In case you're wondering, the "turbo" feature is a caching proxy run by Opera. Turn it on and everything besides SSL goes through them. Of course, they don't tell you this anywhere. This is what you get when you enable the feature: http://www.opera.com/portal/turbo/ http://www.opera.com/portal/turbo/ I haven't been able to find anything more forthcoming on their site, not even in fine print. In fact, their marketing material quite blatantly skirts the issue. The privacy policy linked from their main site (http://www.opera.com/privacy/ http://www.opera.com/privacy/) has a section called "Privacy in the Opera Web browser" which goes into specific features, including some that are new to Opera 10, but nothing at all about "turbo". It does say this though: "The Opera user’s Web usage is not tracked". Except when it is. I don't know what standards you hold Opera to, but any half respectable company would be rubbing your face in disclaimers before enabling a feature like this and I've seen a few crucified for not doing so.
- lucumo 17y ago
  > Of course, they don't tell you this anywhere. I wonder where you got the knowledge from then... Perhaps you learned it from the help that comes with Opera: > "The technology behind Opera Turbo is a proxy server with server-side compression of Web pages. A compression rate of up to 80% can be achieved, in part by reducing the quality of images. If you want to view an image uncompressed, right-click on the image, and select "Reload Image in Full Quality"."
  - extension 17y ago
    I learned about it from a blog, which is a lot easier to find than that help page. Since the feature requires zero skill to use, the only people I see going to Help -> Opera Help -> Opera Turbo are those doing detective work, or possibly some non-tech-savvy users, who will not know what a proxy server is or understand the privacy ramifications. When Google added PageRank to their toolbar, they forced you to read at least two warnings before you could use it that said, in big letters, something like "PLEASE READ THIS WARNING.. IT'S NOT THE USUAL YADA YADA". At the very least, that's what I would expect from anybody, but especially from a browser, a piece of software that users put an enormous amount of trust in. I've managed to find a few mentions in Opera's marketing material that this feature goes through their servers, but no hint that there is any privacy issue.
MikeCapone 17y ago
Just tried it (Mac version), and somehow the browsing is smoother in Safari (scrolling, transition between pages). Not sure about absolute speed, but subjectively, it's not as good.
- MikeCapone 17y ago
  Seems like I was right; Opera 10 for Mac IS slower: http://arstechnica.com/software/reviews/2009/09/first-look-opera-10-faster-with-new-features.ars http://arstechnica.com/software/reviews/2009/09/first-look-o... (scroll down to benchmarks)
dotcoma 17y ago
I think Opera 10 is wonderful.
- dotcoma 17y ago
  but is there a way to get rid of their pre-set bookmarks? I'd pay for that...
  - lucumo 17y ago
    Just delete them? Doesn't that work?
    - dotcoma 17y ago
      no 'delete' option. I can right-click into 'properties' and delete the name of the bookmark and the web address, but then I still have 6 empty bookmarks I can't get rid of. This sucks. I'd pay a buck for each.
      - lucumo 17y ago
        Weird. Sucks. I'm an upgrading user and have my bookmarks in ~/.opera/bookmarks.adr. Default bookmarks seem to be stored in /usr/share/opera/defaults/bookmarks.adr or /usr/share/opera/locale/<LANGUAGE>/bookmarks.adr. The files are plain text. It may not be a perfect solution, but I think you can just edit it to remove them. (Make sure Opera's not running while editing, of course.)

Opera 10 released.

47 points by sarvesh 17y ago

garply 17y ago

But the download link is broken for me. Anyone else?

kierank 17y ago
It's because they have a tracking script that is overloaded and thus can't redirect you to the mirror url.
aw3c2 17y ago
Dig through ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/ to find your file.

onreact-com 17y ago

I hope they fixed their automatic update. I can't switch it off but each time it does update my interface customization is gone. It happens every few weeks.

DanHulton 17y ago

Ahhh, upgraded to this from the 10 beta and my biggest gripe is finally gone! It USED to be that if you clicked a right-click menu outside of the control it was opened in, it wouldn't execute the action of that click. (For example, if I right click in this textbox and "copy" is outside this textbox, it wouldn't copy.) Now? Fixed! Proof? Now? Fixed!

aw3c2 17y ago
I can't believe it! This annoyed me so much and I could not find the culprit. Installing it right now. Oh happy day.
- aw3c2 17y ago
  Actually it still happens a lot to me. :(
fnid 17y ago
cannot reproduce. which os are you on? It works for me.
- aw3c2 17y ago
  I guess it might be related to disabling "focus for new windows", prevent focus stealing et cetera in one's OS. At least I use that.

cglee 17y ago

I can't use Opera because I rely on 1Password so much now.

travisjeffery 17y ago
Same, if a browser doesn't support 1Password then it will need some serious other benefits to sway me into using it. I'm looking forward to when Google releases Chrome so that the 1Password dev's will write an extension for it.

zandorg 17y ago

Bah, it's got that thing where I click a link and it picks a link further up the page. Also, it uses 40% more memory than before and I can't be bothered putting back v9.64. Darn!

extension 17y ago

In case you're wondering, the "turbo" feature is a caching proxy run by Opera. Turn it on and everything besides SSL goes through them. Of course, they don't tell you this anywhere. This is what you get when you enable the feature: http://www.opera.com/portal/turbo/ http://www.opera.com/portal/turbo/ I haven't been able to find anything more forthcoming on their site, not even in fine print. In fact, their marketing material quite blatantly skirts the issue. The privacy policy linked from their main site (http://www.opera.com/privacy/ http://www.opera.com/privacy/) has a section called "Privacy in the Opera Web browser" which goes into specific features, including some that are new to Opera 10, but nothing at all about "turbo". It does say this though: "The Opera user’s Web usage is not tracked". Except when it is. I don't know what standards you hold Opera to, but any half respectable company would be rubbing your face in disclaimers before enabling a feature like this and I've seen a few crucified for not doing so.

lucumo 17y ago
> Of course, they don't tell you this anywhere. I wonder where you got the knowledge from then... Perhaps you learned it from the help that comes with Opera: > "The technology behind Opera Turbo is a proxy server with server-side compression of Web pages. A compression rate of up to 80% can be achieved, in part by reducing the quality of images. If you want to view an image uncompressed, right-click on the image, and select "Reload Image in Full Quality"."
- extension 17y ago
  I learned about it from a blog, which is a lot easier to find than that help page. Since the feature requires zero skill to use, the only people I see going to Help -> Opera Help -> Opera Turbo are those doing detective work, or possibly some non-tech-savvy users, who will not know what a proxy server is or understand the privacy ramifications. When Google added PageRank to their toolbar, they forced you to read at least two warnings before you could use it that said, in big letters, something like "PLEASE READ THIS WARNING.. IT'S NOT THE USUAL YADA YADA". At the very least, that's what I would expect from anybody, but especially from a browser, a piece of software that users put an enormous amount of trust in. I've managed to find a few mentions in Opera's marketing material that this feature goes through their servers, but no hint that there is any privacy issue.

MikeCapone 17y ago

Just tried it (Mac version), and somehow the browsing is smoother in Safari (scrolling, transition between pages). Not sure about absolute speed, but subjectively, it's not as good.

MikeCapone 17y ago
Seems like I was right; Opera 10 for Mac IS slower: http://arstechnica.com/software/reviews/2009/09/first-look-opera-10-faster-with-new-features.ars http://arstechnica.com/software/reviews/2009/09/first-look-o... (scroll down to benchmarks)

dotcoma 17y ago

I think Opera 10 is wonderful.

dotcoma 17y ago
but is there a way to get rid of their pre-set bookmarks? I'd pay for that...
- lucumo 17y ago
  Just delete them? Doesn't that work?
  - dotcoma 17y ago
    no 'delete' option. I can right-click into 'properties' and delete the name of the bookmark and the web address, but then I still have 6 empty bookmarks I can't get rid of. This sucks. I'd pay a buck for each.
    - lucumo 17y ago
      Weird. Sucks. I'm an upgrading user and have my bookmarks in ~/.opera/bookmarks.adr. Default bookmarks seem to be stored in /usr/share/opera/defaults/bookmarks.adr or /usr/share/opera/locale/<LANGUAGE>/bookmarks.adr. The files are plain text. It may not be a perfect solution, but I think you can just edit it to remove them. (Make sure Opera's not running while editing, of course.)