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Your sentiments aren't wrong, but your delivery is a bit cringe-worthy at times, and probably isn't gonna get a lot of respect (much less help the cause) as a r

Your sentiments aren't wrong, but your delivery is a bit cringe-worthy at times, and probably isn't gonna get a lot of respect (much less help the cause) as a result. I highly recommend looking through Karen Straughan's youtube channel [0] to help you gather your thoughts on the matter and deliver arguments in a less 'potentially inflammatory' way; because like it or not, unfortunately this viewpoint is the underdog and is always met with heavy, emotionally charged criticism that doesn't look to understand the logic of the argument first. Also, despite it's criticisms, the http://reddit.com/r/mensrights http://reddit.com/r/mensrights community is very diverse, understanding and well-reasoned -- unlike a lot of the old cliche misogynistic "No Ma'am"[1] MRA's of the 90's. So if you're looking for support from others who have shared and/or noticed your type of experiences (not just men!), it's a good place to hang out. Also, here's a good intro to how people usually discover and fall into this rabbithole/problem that's pretty enlightening: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/24lqgf/came_here_mislead_i_absolutely_see_nothing_wrong/ http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/24lqgf/came_here... Hope that helps! [0] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcmnLu5cGUGeLy744WS-fsg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcmnLu5cGUGeLy744WS-fsg [1] http://www.bundyology.com/nomaam.html http://www.bundyology.com/nomaam.html

justanotherlame 12y ago
I agree. I'm not very good at getting my point across. People are often confused by what I say and I can tell they didn't quite get what I meant. I wish I could get past that. Thanks for your comment (and the other guy's). I'll look through all the links.
- catinahat 12y ago
  Trust me, your phrasing wasn't even bad -- the problem is literally just how sensitive the actual subject is (as I'm sure you've noticed). It's worse than debating race/politics/economy/etc, we just have to tread lighter than walking on eggshells when bringing up these matters in our society unfortunately. And as you can see, this thread itself has already been flagged from the front pages as a result...
  - justanotherlame 12y ago
    This is my first time posting. Was it flagged by a moderator or did it just finally slip off the page? I'm politically incorrect, and I kind of like it that way. It can cause issues, and sometimes I hurt people I know when I don't want to, but it's hard to have a real discussion when one side is whispering and the other is yelling.
    - mercer 12y ago
      I'm sorry for being so 'meta' in here, but here I go again. One thing you could ask yourself is why feel the need to that discussion in the first place. I have my own thoughts on the male-female dynamic that are by no means mainstream and could offend a whole bunch of people. But rather than inflate a sense of 'disconnect', I now try to find the 'harmony' and to only discuss these things in the right setting and with the right type of people. In hindsight, I feel that seeking out such discussions was really just a combination of on the one hand confirming how much more unique, smart and reasonable/rational I was in comparisons to other, and on the other hand a way of justifying my inability to deal with the 'otherness' (of women, social people, etc.). Not only did this behavior actively hurt others at times, it didn't really matter that much to my own life. I could've simply quit engaging with people who disagree with me to the point of 'active' disharmony, and spent my time with people who are more, well, agree-able. Or I could've disliked their beliefs, but given it a rest because in the grand scheme of things not being lonely is often preferable to being 'right' (within certain limits, of course).
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justanotherlame 12y ago

I agree. I'm not very good at getting my point across. People are often confused by what I say and I can tell they didn't quite get what I meant. I wish I could get past that. Thanks for your comment (and the other guy's). I'll look through all the links.

catinahat 12y ago
Trust me, your phrasing wasn't even bad -- the problem is literally just how sensitive the actual subject is (as I'm sure you've noticed). It's worse than debating race/politics/economy/etc, we just have to tread lighter than walking on eggshells when bringing up these matters in our society unfortunately. And as you can see, this thread itself has already been flagged from the front pages as a result...
- justanotherlame 12y ago
  This is my first time posting. Was it flagged by a moderator or did it just finally slip off the page? I'm politically incorrect, and I kind of like it that way. It can cause issues, and sometimes I hurt people I know when I don't want to, but it's hard to have a real discussion when one side is whispering and the other is yelling.
  - mercer 12y ago
    I'm sorry for being so 'meta' in here, but here I go again. One thing you could ask yourself is why feel the need to that discussion in the first place. I have my own thoughts on the male-female dynamic that are by no means mainstream and could offend a whole bunch of people. But rather than inflate a sense of 'disconnect', I now try to find the 'harmony' and to only discuss these things in the right setting and with the right type of people. In hindsight, I feel that seeking out such discussions was really just a combination of on the one hand confirming how much more unique, smart and reasonable/rational I was in comparisons to other, and on the other hand a way of justifying my inability to deal with the 'otherness' (of women, social people, etc.). Not only did this behavior actively hurt others at times, it didn't really matter that much to my own life. I could've simply quit engaging with people who disagree with me to the point of 'active' disharmony, and spent my time with people who are more, well, agree-able. Or I could've disliked their beliefs, but given it a rest because in the grand scheme of things not being lonely is often preferable to being 'right' (within certain limits, of course).
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