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> god help us, using the output of that mind as a platform on which to build suggestions on changing our culture Why not? There's what to do lessons and what

> god help us, using the output of that mind as a platform on which to build suggestions on changing our culture Why not? There's what to do lessons and what not to do lessons. From what I read in the essay he talks continually about how he lives in a beautiful, wealthy suburb, has an apartment and BMW, nice clothes and so forth. I don't watch teenage television shows like the OC, The Hills or whatever, but from this material perspective he had the perfect life. Yet his parents split up, he didn't get along with his movie premiere attending father's new wife, and he was isolated and cut off from human contact. He is miserable. He even says repeatedly he goes crazy watching guys with much less money have so much "social success". Something can be learned from him. That buying into the idea that money alone buys happiness is something close to insanity. That growing up in a wealthy community where image and status are everything, even among kids, might not be healthy. That close friendships and lovers are more important than the BMW he continually refers to. I can see shades of this when I walk into a post Series A startup on Saturday at 8 PM and see that 95% of the office is there working, many of the people in their 20's. They all think they are going to be the Mark Zuckerberg. It seems like insanity to me. It reminds me of all the people I know who were having trouble in their marriages, so they would work until 6, 7, 8 doing busy work so they wouldn't have to go home. Usually in a few months time I hear from them they are separating from their spouse. Some people see work as an escape from their other problems. Our society being run as it is, by those who it is run by, this is not much frowned upon as a real problem. I can easily imagine this kid growing up the son of some guy who was in early on some hot startup, with the kid now living in Palo Alto, Altadena or somewhere...

briandh 12y ago
> Why not? Because it's just one kid. The sample size is too small.
- AznHisoka 12y ago
  Sorry, but no. Ok, not everybody is going to kill girls because they rejected you, but almost every man understand at least some of the feelings + frustrations he experienced (especially virgins). To deny this is to deny the huge elephant in the room - the fact that men do have the primal need for sex, and when it's denied/suppressed, bad things happen as that need goes unfulfilled.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
    You know, speaking as a dude it's pretty insulting to see you insinuate that I'm some pent up murder machine held in check only so long as I keep my dick wet.
    - gojomo 12y ago
      You're probably not. But if the mere observation that some men do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex strikes you as a personal insult, then you are too sensitive.
      - Centigonal 12y ago
        I think he's offended that one crazy person's actions have turned into a generalization about men (yes, "some men" qualifies it, but since you can't tell "some men" from all the other men, any action that's meant to affect these "some men" affects all men, hence nullifying the qualifier. Furthermore, your grandparent didn't even use the "some"). A much fairer (and still true) statement would be "some people do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex." If you want to further dissect the issue into the different kind of strange and violent things men do vs. other genders' behaviors, that's fine too, but by comparing Rodgers to "some men," the implication is made that his actions are endemic to men (they're not -- they're endemic to violent, crazy people).
        JoeAltmaier 12y ago
        Maybe a more cogent point is, crazy violent people find a ready culture of misogyny to hang their urges on. Again and again and again, its women that are the target. This can and should be changed. I hope one day soon its no more accepted to publish 'player handbooks' than it is to distribute KKK race hate messages.
        AznHisoka 12y ago
        I'm not focusing on his actions here. His actions were the result of pent up, dangerous, toxic emotions. The same emotions that are felt (albeit to a lesser degree) by most men. Most men just channel that into something else, like entrepreneurship (ie Zuckerberg), or drugs/alcohol/video games.

briandh 12y ago

> Why not? Because it's just one kid. The sample size is too small.

AznHisoka 12y ago
Sorry, but no. Ok, not everybody is going to kill girls because they rejected you, but almost every man understand at least some of the feelings + frustrations he experienced (especially virgins). To deny this is to deny the huge elephant in the room - the fact that men do have the primal need for sex, and when it's denied/suppressed, bad things happen as that need goes unfulfilled.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
  You know, speaking as a dude it's pretty insulting to see you insinuate that I'm some pent up murder machine held in check only so long as I keep my dick wet.
  - gojomo 12y ago
    You're probably not. But if the mere observation that some men do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex strikes you as a personal insult, then you are too sensitive.
    - Centigonal 12y ago
      I think he's offended that one crazy person's actions have turned into a generalization about men (yes, "some men" qualifies it, but since you can't tell "some men" from all the other men, any action that's meant to affect these "some men" affects all men, hence nullifying the qualifier. Furthermore, your grandparent didn't even use the "some"). A much fairer (and still true) statement would be "some people do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex." If you want to further dissect the issue into the different kind of strange and violent things men do vs. other genders' behaviors, that's fine too, but by comparing Rodgers to "some men," the implication is made that his actions are endemic to men (they're not -- they're endemic to violent, crazy people).
      - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
        Maybe a more cogent point is, crazy violent people find a ready culture of misogyny to hang their urges on. Again and again and again, its women that are the target. This can and should be changed. I hope one day soon its no more accepted to publish 'player handbooks' than it is to distribute KKK race hate messages.
      - AznHisoka 12y ago
        I'm not focusing on his actions here. His actions were the result of pent up, dangerous, toxic emotions. The same emotions that are felt (albeit to a lesser degree) by most men. Most men just channel that into something else, like entrepreneurship (ie Zuckerberg), or drugs/alcohol/video games.