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I am one of the contributors to the parent article. We mention a whole slew of 'what happens when you report harassment' incidents: - http://www.theverge.com

I am one of the contributors to the parent article. We mention a whole slew of 'what happens when you report harassment' incidents: - http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindness-weev-and-the-cult-of-the-angry-young-man http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindnes... - http://archive.today/20130110113908/jolieodell.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/why-sxsw-sucks/%23comment-1391 http://archive.today/20130110113908/jolieodell.wordpress.com... - http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/705/ http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/705/ - https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e - http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=5698 http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=5698 - http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassment-and-visual-misogyny/ http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassm... - http://kateharding.net/2007/04/14/on-being-a-no-name-blogger-using-her-real-name/ http://kateharding.net/2007/04/14/on-being-a-no-name-blogger... - http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/blogger-writes-about-being-called-a-whore-scientific-america http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/blogger-writes-about-b... - http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassment-and-visual-misogyny/ http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassm... - https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e - http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/705/ http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/705/ - http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindness-weev-and-the-cult-of-the-angry-young-man http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindnes... I also want to mention that we were super scared of publishing our individual experiences for this exact fear and questioning of our lived experience.

optimusclimb 12y ago
Thanks for the links. A question - Do you think (or have any information) on if this is particularly worse in tech, than in other industries?
- nimbupani 12y ago
  I worked for less than 5 months in a non-tech industry (and in a female-majority workplace) to form any opinion on that.
- danilocampos 12y ago
  Why does this even remotely matter? We're in tech. This is our home. Let's clean it up.
- optimusclimb 12y ago
  @danilocampos - I think it matters for getting to a solution. If there's something inherent in tech, or its male work force that makes the problem worse, then knowing that might help get at the root of the problem a little faster.
  - beat 12y ago
    We already understand the roots of the problem quite well... comparing to other industries won't make much difference. 1. Male-dominated environment, women are a significant minority. 2. Inexcusable tolerance of sexist behavior - not calling it out when we see it. 3. "Why are you blaming me? I'm not one of those guys. Men might listen to you if you'd just stop the blanket accusations." (extra credit: count how many comments on this thread can be reduced to that sentiment.)
    - mreiland 12y ago
      it should be noted that pointing out #3 doesn't make it an invalid point, and it certainly has nothing to do with why the issue exists in the first place.
      - beat 12y ago
        Read sentence 3 of my point #3 again... Men might listen to you if you'd just stop the blanket accusations. That's the (sometimes) unspoken meaning behind the reactionary defensiveness of so many men here. It appears in the (paraphrased) "I dunno if I can believe a bunch of women's anecdotes. Have any men seen anything like this? I could believe a man." And the ever-popular "At least this isn't quite as bad as those crazy man-hating feminazis!" Saying "Hey, stop blaming me!" is really just a softcore version of "I don't take you seriously, because you're a woman." Instead of looking to escape the blame, men should be asking how such a blanket condemnation happened (and not "Because women are crazy"), and what they can do about it. And no, getting defensive and whining about how women are picking on them isn't the thing to do.
      - webmaven 12y ago
        The problem, at it's root, is a set of self-reinforcing cycles, such as: 1. More men than women 2. Male harrasers feel safe to harass women 3. Women do not feel welcome 4. Women leave 5. Goto 1 Or: 1. Harassers target women in ways that are deniable and/or less visible 2. Well meaning men assume that if they if don't see it, it must not be happening very often 3. Women get tired of having their personal experiences questioned, denied, dismissed, and belittled 4. Women stay silent, or leave 5. The impression among bystander men that this must not happen that often is strengthened, emboldening harassers 6. Goto 1 Etc. Given that, it is entirely fair to say to non-harrasser men that if they are not actively part of the solution, they are still pàrt if the problem.
hkmurakami 12y ago
Noticed that you took the time to reformat the html that you initially pasted over. Thanks for taking the time to do that for us :).
nailer 12y ago
I only clicked on one of those links because I recognised it: https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e That article doesn't seem like retaliation, it seems like a response. JAH herself has responded to that article and simply said the things mentioned aren't relevant and only brought up because she was female.
webmaven 12y ago
Minor nitpick: I went back to find the links in the article, and it wasn't clear on the first read that the 'this is what happens...' sentence was a whole slew of individually linked words.

optimusclimb 12y ago

Thanks for the links. A question - Do you think (or have any information) on if this is particularly worse in tech, than in other industries?

nimbupani 12y ago
I worked for less than 5 months in a non-tech industry (and in a female-majority workplace) to form any opinion on that.
danilocampos 12y ago
Why does this even remotely matter? We're in tech. This is our home. Let's clean it up.
optimusclimb 12y ago
@danilocampos - I think it matters for getting to a solution. If there's something inherent in tech, or its male work force that makes the problem worse, then knowing that might help get at the root of the problem a little faster.
- beat 12y ago
  We already understand the roots of the problem quite well... comparing to other industries won't make much difference. 1. Male-dominated environment, women are a significant minority. 2. Inexcusable tolerance of sexist behavior - not calling it out when we see it. 3. "Why are you blaming me? I'm not one of those guys. Men might listen to you if you'd just stop the blanket accusations." (extra credit: count how many comments on this thread can be reduced to that sentiment.)
  - mreiland 12y ago
    it should be noted that pointing out #3 doesn't make it an invalid point, and it certainly has nothing to do with why the issue exists in the first place.
    - beat 12y ago
      Read sentence 3 of my point #3 again... Men might listen to you if you'd just stop the blanket accusations. That's the (sometimes) unspoken meaning behind the reactionary defensiveness of so many men here. It appears in the (paraphrased) "I dunno if I can believe a bunch of women's anecdotes. Have any men seen anything like this? I could believe a man." And the ever-popular "At least this isn't quite as bad as those crazy man-hating feminazis!" Saying "Hey, stop blaming me!" is really just a softcore version of "I don't take you seriously, because you're a woman." Instead of looking to escape the blame, men should be asking how such a blanket condemnation happened (and not "Because women are crazy"), and what they can do about it. And no, getting defensive and whining about how women are picking on them isn't the thing to do.
    - webmaven 12y ago
      The problem, at it's root, is a set of self-reinforcing cycles, such as: 1. More men than women 2. Male harrasers feel safe to harass women 3. Women do not feel welcome 4. Women leave 5. Goto 1 Or: 1. Harassers target women in ways that are deniable and/or less visible 2. Well meaning men assume that if they if don't see it, it must not be happening very often 3. Women get tired of having their personal experiences questioned, denied, dismissed, and belittled 4. Women stay silent, or leave 5. The impression among bystander men that this must not happen that often is strengthened, emboldening harassers 6. Goto 1 Etc. Given that, it is entirely fair to say to non-harrasser men that if they are not actively part of the solution, they are still pàrt if the problem.

hkmurakami 12y ago

Noticed that you took the time to reformat the html that you initially pasted over. Thanks for taking the time to do that for us :).

nailer 12y ago

I only clicked on one of those links because I recognised it: https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e That article doesn't seem like retaliation, it seems like a response. JAH herself has responded to that article and simply said the things mentioned aren't relevant and only brought up because she was female.

webmaven 12y ago

Minor nitpick: I went back to find the links in the article, and it wasn't clear on the first read that the 'this is what happens...' sentence was a whole slew of individually linked words.