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I really don't understand the electorate in Spain. Just looking at how the two main parties took 75% of the vote in 2011 (down from 83%). And it doesn't look li

by rett12 12y ago

I really don't understand the electorate in Spain. Just looking at how the two main parties took 75% of the vote in 2011 (down from 83%). And it doesn't look like it's going to change. Compare that to Greece (Pasok went from 40% to 8%, Syriza nonexistent 8 years ago almost won) or Italy (with the rise of Grillo's Movimiento 5 Stelle). Does Spain need a new party with a powerful personality at the helm or after all it has become a de facto two party democracy?

ciudadanox 12y ago
Definitely things are different over here, laws are very negative for new organizations but we are in the way of achieving same results by the end of 2015. We have started much later and we have avoid any populism in all ways, we don't want someone like Beppe Grillo leading us because we are organized in network without leaders. Even though they are a great example that citizens well organized can achieved great things aside traditional parties. Also, since 2008 main parties in Spain had already lost over 10 million votes(in 35 million total) so we know we are in the right place an the right moment. TV is still the main source of information for people and it's taken completely by main parties. However in social networks we are already winning, in just 1 years we already have more fans than main parties and people talks about us. We will have to wait until December 2015 to show this change in a election
- rett12 12y ago
  The problem is that by the end of 2015 the situation in Spain could improve(I really don't see that happening and if it happens is because the improvement in Europe is dragging Spain). Also in the elections of 2011 the main parties lost almost 4 million votes (from 21.5 to 17.8 million). http://resultados.elpais.com/elecciones/generales.html http://resultados.elpais.com/elecciones/generales.html But it's true that the projections seem to show that trend, still both parties get +60% votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Spanish_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_S... > TV is still the main source of information for people and it's taken completely by main parties. However in social networks we are already winning, in just 1 years we already have more fans than main parties and people talks about us. Social networks are used mainly by young people, and Spain is an old society. >(...) because we are organized in network without leaders. I have yet to see a country without leaders and a large well organized group of anything without leaders. It's really naive. Nonetheless Spain needs people that starts changing things (like your group), and everything can change by Dec 2015 but I'm not optimistic.

by rett12 12y ago

ciudadanox 12y ago

Definitely things are different over here, laws are very negative for new organizations but we are in the way of achieving same results by the end of 2015. We have started much later and we have avoid any populism in all ways, we don't want someone like Beppe Grillo leading us because we are organized in network without leaders. Even though they are a great example that citizens well organized can achieved great things aside traditional parties. Also, since 2008 main parties in Spain had already lost over 10 million votes(in 35 million total) so we know we are in the right place an the right moment. TV is still the main source of information for people and it's taken completely by main parties. However in social networks we are already winning, in just 1 years we already have more fans than main parties and people talks about us. We will have to wait until December 2015 to show this change in a election

rett12 12y ago
The problem is that by the end of 2015 the situation in Spain could improve(I really don't see that happening and if it happens is because the improvement in Europe is dragging Spain). Also in the elections of 2011 the main parties lost almost 4 million votes (from 21.5 to 17.8 million). http://resultados.elpais.com/elecciones/generales.html http://resultados.elpais.com/elecciones/generales.html But it's true that the projections seem to show that trend, still both parties get +60% votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Spanish_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_S... > TV is still the main source of information for people and it's taken completely by main parties. However in social networks we are already winning, in just 1 years we already have more fans than main parties and people talks about us. Social networks are used mainly by young people, and Spain is an old society. >(...) because we are organized in network without leaders. I have yet to see a country without leaders and a large well organized group of anything without leaders. It's really naive. Nonetheless Spain needs people that starts changing things (like your group), and everything can change by Dec 2015 but I'm not optimistic.