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Nya Tider is not known for well cited facts here in Sweden. More the opposite. And being kinda racist.

by maxberggren 12y ago

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- apaibur 12y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=nya+tider+rasistisk&oq=nya+tider+rasistisk https://www.google.com/search?q=nya+tider+rasistisk&oq=nya+t...
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- dalke 12y ago
  At the very least, it's poor reporting. I'll start with "Sedan regeringsskiftet för snart åtta år sedan har anslagen till polisen blivit allt större" -- "Since the change of government nearly 8 years ago, the number of crime reports has gotten even higher." This is followed shortly by "”Sverige hamnar ofta på en mycket hög nivå vid internationella jämförelser”, skriver exempelvis BRÅ" -- "'Sweden often ends up at a very high level in international comparisons', writes for example the Brottsförebyggande rådet (National Crime Prevention Council)." That quote is easy to find. It's in a 1999 report at http://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800021441/1312359785892/1999_internationella_jamforelser_av_kriminalstatistik.pdf http://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800021441/13... , on page 5. Thus, the BRÅ statement from 15 years ago has nothing to do with the change of government 8 years ago. Yet the article implies they are coupled. Good journalism would give better context to the quote. The 1999 BRÅ report then continues to explain why the international comparisons aren't so easy to make. For one, the Swedish report to Interpol includes traffic crimes, which most other countries don't. Finland submits two reports, one with and one without traffic crimes. The difference in crime rates between the two is quite remarkable, going from 8,000 to 14,000 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants, bringing it to par with Sweden. The journalism is all the worse because the overview then reviews the actual court cases, saying "Istället utgör merparten av det polisen kallar ”uppklarade brott” sådana gärningar där den dömde fastnat i polisens egna kontroller – fortkörare, cyklister utan lampa och fordonsägare med trasiga blinkers." -- "Instead [of dealing with serious crimes], the larger part of what the police call 'solved crimes' deal with conduct where the offenders were caught by the police's own checks - speeders, cyclists without lights, and vehicle owners with bad blinkers" But as I just pointed out, the BRÅ talks about how the list of crimes that Sweden reports to Interpol includes traffic crimes, and the comparison to Finland strongly suggests that over 40% of those crimes are traffic crimes, so of course there will be a large number of car and bike crimes on the list.
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      You've switched topics. I pointed out that the article was bad journalism. Now you want to discuss the underlying statistics used to generate a report like that. Based on the page you pointed to, it's hard to draw any specific conclusions. It suggests that the increase in crime is because of the change in Swedish policy since 1975 towards more diversity. However, it could be because Sweden changed policies to report more crimes, or people have decided to report more crimes. As a well-known example, the number of reported rapes in Sweden is very high. BRÅ attributes it to using a different reporting scheme and a broader definition of rape than the other countries. Eg, (and if I understand the details correctly) if a woman says that she's been raped by her husband every other night for the last year, then the Swedish policy is to report that as 180 reports of rapes, while other countries might regard it as a single report, or something that's not reportable at all. Or for another observation about policy changes, since the 1970s there has also been an increasing move towards privatization of the Swedish economy, and an increase in the Gini coefficient. With the statistics presented, it's equally possible to argue that the movement away from traditional social democracy has contributed to increased levels of crime. Or for still another observation, the number of crimes has gone up while the number of Saabs sold has gone down. Perhaps it's all those drivers with old Saabs committing crimes in order to get spare parts for their beloved vehicles. That's extremely unlikely, but that the type of conclusions one gets when only looking for statistical correlations. These complexities in statical analysis are very well-known. Any analysis which doesn't even bring up the issues in the introductory article must be treated with deep suspicion. An article like this one, which appears to have cherry-picked 15 year old report without giving the context to understand it, is almost certainly not a trustworthy source of information.

Nya Tider is not known for well cited facts here in Sweden. More the opposite. And being kinda racist.

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apaibur 12y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=nya+tider+rasistisk&oq=nya+tider+rasistisk https://www.google.com/search?q=nya+tider+rasistisk&oq=nya+t...
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dalke 12y ago
At the very least, it's poor reporting. I'll start with "Sedan regeringsskiftet för snart åtta år sedan har anslagen till polisen blivit allt större" -- "Since the change of government nearly 8 years ago, the number of crime reports has gotten even higher." This is followed shortly by "”Sverige hamnar ofta på en mycket hög nivå vid internationella jämförelser”, skriver exempelvis BRÅ" -- "'Sweden often ends up at a very high level in international comparisons', writes for example the Brottsförebyggande rådet (National Crime Prevention Council)." That quote is easy to find. It's in a 1999 report at http://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800021441/1312359785892/1999_internationella_jamforelser_av_kriminalstatistik.pdf http://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800021441/13... , on page 5. Thus, the BRÅ statement from 15 years ago has nothing to do with the change of government 8 years ago. Yet the article implies they are coupled. Good journalism would give better context to the quote. The 1999 BRÅ report then continues to explain why the international comparisons aren't so easy to make. For one, the Swedish report to Interpol includes traffic crimes, which most other countries don't. Finland submits two reports, one with and one without traffic crimes. The difference in crime rates between the two is quite remarkable, going from 8,000 to 14,000 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants, bringing it to par with Sweden. The journalism is all the worse because the overview then reviews the actual court cases, saying "Istället utgör merparten av det polisen kallar ”uppklarade brott” sådana gärningar där den dömde fastnat i polisens egna kontroller – fortkörare, cyklister utan lampa och fordonsägare med trasiga blinkers." -- "Instead [of dealing with serious crimes], the larger part of what the police call 'solved crimes' deal with conduct where the offenders were caught by the police's own checks - speeders, cyclists without lights, and vehicle owners with bad blinkers" But as I just pointed out, the BRÅ talks about how the list of crimes that Sweden reports to Interpol includes traffic crimes, and the comparison to Finland strongly suggests that over 40% of those crimes are traffic crimes, so of course there will be a large number of car and bike crimes on the list.
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  - dalke 12y ago
    You've switched topics. I pointed out that the article was bad journalism. Now you want to discuss the underlying statistics used to generate a report like that. Based on the page you pointed to, it's hard to draw any specific conclusions. It suggests that the increase in crime is because of the change in Swedish policy since 1975 towards more diversity. However, it could be because Sweden changed policies to report more crimes, or people have decided to report more crimes. As a well-known example, the number of reported rapes in Sweden is very high. BRÅ attributes it to using a different reporting scheme and a broader definition of rape than the other countries. Eg, (and if I understand the details correctly) if a woman says that she's been raped by her husband every other night for the last year, then the Swedish policy is to report that as 180 reports of rapes, while other countries might regard it as a single report, or something that's not reportable at all. Or for another observation about policy changes, since the 1970s there has also been an increasing move towards privatization of the Swedish economy, and an increase in the Gini coefficient. With the statistics presented, it's equally possible to argue that the movement away from traditional social democracy has contributed to increased levels of crime. Or for still another observation, the number of crimes has gone up while the number of Saabs sold has gone down. Perhaps it's all those drivers with old Saabs committing crimes in order to get spare parts for their beloved vehicles. That's extremely unlikely, but that the type of conclusions one gets when only looking for statistical correlations. These complexities in statical analysis are very well-known. Any analysis which doesn't even bring up the issues in the introductory article must be treated with deep suspicion. An article like this one, which appears to have cherry-picked 15 year old report without giving the context to understand it, is almost certainly not a trustworthy source of information.