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To explain the flaw in the reasoning, it's easiest to generalize - y = x ^ (x ^ x ^ x ^ ...) = x ^ y and hence x = y ^ (1/y) = exp( 1/y *
by throwaway13qf85 12y ago
To explain the flaw in the reasoning, it's easiest to generalize -
y = x ^ (x ^ x ^ x ^ ...)
= x ^ y
and hence
x = y ^ (1/y)
= exp( 1/y * log(y) )
which is defined for y > 0.
Graphing this using Google plot [0] or Wolfram Alpha [1], or just differentiating, reveals that it has a maximum at x = e, and that x takes the value sqrt(2) at both y = 2 and y = 4.
Therefore the inversion, which is the original equation
y = x ^ (x ^ x ^ x ^ ...)
is dual-valued, i.e. it is not a mathematical function. For it to be a function, you need to specify whether you are on the upper branch (so that y = 4) or the lower branch (so that y = 2). Deliberately obfuscating the difference between the two branches leads to the conclusion that 2 = 4.
The square root function can lead to a similar confusion, since there are two solutions to the equation
y = x^2
and hence the "function"
x = sqrt(y)
is not really a function unless we specify whether we are on the upper (x > 0) or lower (x < 0) branch. By convention we interpret sqrt(y) to be the upper branch, and write -sqrt(y) for the lower branch, but there's nothing that forces that choice.
Obfuscating the difference between the two branches could lead one to conclude that 1 = -1, although the fallacy is more obvious in this case, since everyone is familiar with the fact that the square root function is dual-valued.
[0] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=y%5E(1%2Fy) https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=y%5E(1%2Fy)
[1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y%5E(1%2Fy) http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y%5E(1%2Fy)
- voicereasonish 12y agoAlso the big red flag in the reasoning is: > "But take the square root of each side". Sorry, but that's not really something you can do without recognising the fact that there are two square roots.
- j2kun 12y agoThis is a red herring.
- jds375 12y agoIt's certainly not a mathematical function. That being said, to even write 4 = x ^ (x ^ x ^ x ^ ...) is a bit misleading. The function diverges for y not in the range of e^-1 < y < e. I think that's a bit simpler and elegant way to look at it. A proof can be found on page 240: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/upload_library/22/Chauvenet/Knoebelchv.pdf http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/upload_library/22... (pdf)
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- j2kun 12y agoI think your argument is avoiding the real issues. One problem is that the simplification of setting y = x^y introduces new solutions that are not solutions to the original equation. While any solution of the original must also satisfy y = x^y, the reverse is not true. Even worse, the OP's algebraic manipulations assume there exists a solution to the equation. It's not logically sound to assume something exists and use that fact to prove that it exists.