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No serious, modern PHP developer writes code like this. If it were a code sample for any respectable PHP job, it would be a massive "do not hire" flag.

by ledneb 12y ago

MichaelGG 12y ago
No True Scotsman. I've seen a few commercial PHP codebases running worse stuff. You can say they aren't "serious" or "modern", yet they have people doing this full time shipping commercial appliances and services.
tluyben2 12y ago
I think you live in Lala land. I too hope this, but it's wishful thinking; by far most I encounter in the wild write like this and worse (this actually works for instance).
camus2 12y ago
that's just not true. Given my experience, most PHP devs dont use a framework or even composer. When the forefront of your language is wordpress, it doesnt help spread best practices.Agreed you can write crap in every languages,you can write jsp pages, but it's unlikely you'll get a java job if you dont know OO or Spring.
- antocv 12y ago
  Come on now, I hate PHP more than anyone else, but seriously, wordpress is the best that PHP has to offer. It doesnt suck. It has a quite nice API - its the plugins around wordpress that have quality similar to this 4chan source code. Ive also seen much worse in Java world, with JSPs and all kinds of taglibs and action-handlers mashed up to create a soup which would make you crave for PHP.
  - rabino 12y ago
    +100 People here love to poke fun at WordPress. I'd love to take any of them out of startup-land and make them work for a full week in a 10 years old corporate piece of software, written pretty much in any language.
ihsw 12y ago
Confirmation bias. 99% of PHP developers out there are in fact absolute shit, and they're happy with it because they're developing "websites" instead of "applications." Right tool for the right job. You can use qualifiers like "serious" and "modern" but you're deluding yourself if you think they mean anything when the pool of PHP developers is so staggeringly high.
- ledneb 12y ago
  I'm under no delusion. Admittedly this is the wrong place to be debating anything PHP, but I wouldn't suggest that the average skill level of "everybody who writes PHP" is anything better than incompetent. The people I'm sitting next to now and have worked with in the past are as real as I am - the 1% you recognise are the serious and modern PHP developers. We exist and we're the pool you hire from. Of course, right tool for the right job. PHP has specific use cases but that's another discussion entirely.
spoiler 12y ago
> (...) serious, modern PHP developer (...) A "serious PHP developer" is an oxymoron.

No serious, modern PHP developer writes code like this. If it were a code sample for any respectable PHP job, it would be a massive "do not hire" flag.

by ledneb 12y ago

No serious, modern PHP developer writes code like this. If it were a code sample for any respectable PHP job, it would be a massive "do not hire" flag.

MichaelGG 12y ago

No True Scotsman. I've seen a few commercial PHP codebases running worse stuff. You can say they aren't "serious" or "modern", yet they have people doing this full time shipping commercial appliances and services.

tluyben2 12y ago

I think you live in Lala land. I too hope this, but it's wishful thinking; by far most I encounter in the wild write like this and worse (this actually works for instance).

camus2 12y ago

that's just not true. Given my experience, most PHP devs dont use a framework or even composer. When the forefront of your language is wordpress, it doesnt help spread best practices.Agreed you can write crap in every languages,you can write jsp pages, but it's unlikely you'll get a java job if you dont know OO or Spring.

antocv 12y ago
Come on now, I hate PHP more than anyone else, but seriously, wordpress is the best that PHP has to offer. It doesnt suck. It has a quite nice API - its the plugins around wordpress that have quality similar to this 4chan source code. Ive also seen much worse in Java world, with JSPs and all kinds of taglibs and action-handlers mashed up to create a soup which would make you crave for PHP.
- rabino 12y ago
  +100 People here love to poke fun at WordPress. I'd love to take any of them out of startup-land and make them work for a full week in a 10 years old corporate piece of software, written pretty much in any language.

ihsw 12y ago

Confirmation bias. 99% of PHP developers out there are in fact absolute shit, and they're happy with it because they're developing "websites" instead of "applications." Right tool for the right job. You can use qualifiers like "serious" and "modern" but you're deluding yourself if you think they mean anything when the pool of PHP developers is so staggeringly high.

ledneb 12y ago
I'm under no delusion. Admittedly this is the wrong place to be debating anything PHP, but I wouldn't suggest that the average skill level of "everybody who writes PHP" is anything better than incompetent. The people I'm sitting next to now and have worked with in the past are as real as I am - the 1% you recognise are the serious and modern PHP developers. We exist and we're the pool you hire from. Of course, right tool for the right job. PHP has specific use cases but that's another discussion entirely.

spoiler 12y ago

> (...) serious, modern PHP developer (...) A "serious PHP developer" is an oxymoron.