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Now if only they had a better way to design UIs than using clunky XAML. WinJS + CSS I think is a little better, but still not comparable to what iOS or even And

by tatqx 12y ago

Now if only they had a better way to design UIs than using clunky XAML. WinJS + CSS I think is a little better, but still not comparable to what iOS or even Android has.

yulaow 12y ago
Can you elaborate what you find ugly in xaml? I am using right now winJs but, in my opinion, xaml allow to be really fast in ui design and binding data. Used in combo with Blend (and I know too many people who totally ignore even the existence of that sw) is a win-win
- tonyedgecombe 12y ago
  What does Blend offer over the tooling in Visual Studio?
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    Similar workflows and designer support as flash and director tooling to design the UIs, coupled with code editing support.
  - yulaow 12y ago
    It has a very polished UI studied to focus on the UI-UX design with some advanced tools specific for that. It is a fantastic experience for a designer compared to what you get using only visual studio
- pistle 12y ago
  After building UI's for the two major platforms, I love using the layout and binding engine that MS brought to devices. I have background with ASP.net which is only so far removed from XAML, but it was a very small step to get up to speed and helps me be more productive than the model Android uses and, definitely, less annoying than the tooling available for iOS.
romanovcode 12y ago
And what iOS and even Android has?
hdra 12y ago
Android? I don't know what iOS uses for its UI building, but you must be joking for saying that Android with it XML layout files is any good.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  At least they are way better than using a document format (HTML) to write applications.
  - pavlov 12y ago
    You can't be serious. Android's layout XML somehow manages to combine the general awkwardness of HTML+CSS with the overbearing verbosity of enterprise XML formats. It's probably because Android's format was originally designed for simple keypad-operated mobile layouts, and then was painfully extended for touchscreen applications.
  - hdra 12y ago
    Loads of HTML5 applications around the web say otherwise. While the HTML approach is indeed rather awkward to use to build applications UI, its flexibility more than makes up for it. Compared to Android XML Layout files, I still prefer HTML.
CmonDev 12y ago
It might be verbose but at least it is logical and well suited for GUIs as opposed to HTML+CSS which were designed to produce linked documents that may occasionally contain dancing monkeys (JS) and now need to be patched with frameworks such as Angular and Bootstrap. PS: Apple and Google don't care about developer's experience as much as Microsoft does, they just care about customer's experience.

by tatqx 12y ago

Now if only they had a better way to design UIs than using clunky XAML. WinJS + CSS I think is a little better, but still not comparable to what iOS or even Android has.

yulaow 12y ago

Can you elaborate what you find ugly in xaml? I am using right now winJs but, in my opinion, xaml allow to be really fast in ui design and binding data. Used in combo with Blend (and I know too many people who totally ignore even the existence of that sw) is a win-win

tonyedgecombe 12y ago
What does Blend offer over the tooling in Visual Studio?
- pjmlp 12y ago
  Similar workflows and designer support as flash and director tooling to design the UIs, coupled with code editing support.
- yulaow 12y ago
  It has a very polished UI studied to focus on the UI-UX design with some advanced tools specific for that. It is a fantastic experience for a designer compared to what you get using only visual studio
pistle 12y ago
After building UI's for the two major platforms, I love using the layout and binding engine that MS brought to devices. I have background with ASP.net which is only so far removed from XAML, but it was a very small step to get up to speed and helps me be more productive than the model Android uses and, definitely, less annoying than the tooling available for iOS.

romanovcode 12y ago

And what iOS and even Android has?

hdra 12y ago

Android? I don't know what iOS uses for its UI building, but you must be joking for saying that Android with it XML layout files is any good.

pjmlp 12y ago
At least they are way better than using a document format (HTML) to write applications.
- pavlov 12y ago
  You can't be serious. Android's layout XML somehow manages to combine the general awkwardness of HTML+CSS with the overbearing verbosity of enterprise XML formats. It's probably because Android's format was originally designed for simple keypad-operated mobile layouts, and then was painfully extended for touchscreen applications.
- hdra 12y ago
  Loads of HTML5 applications around the web say otherwise. While the HTML approach is indeed rather awkward to use to build applications UI, its flexibility more than makes up for it. Compared to Android XML Layout files, I still prefer HTML.

CmonDev 12y ago

It might be verbose but at least it is logical and well suited for GUIs as opposed to HTML+CSS which were designed to produce linked documents that may occasionally contain dancing monkeys (JS) and now need to be patched with frameworks such as Angular and Bootstrap. PS: Apple and Google don't care about developer's experience as much as Microsoft does, they just care about customer's experience.