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Don't fool yourself: they're both corporations and thus money making entities. Clearly, the difference is minor at best, since this behavior is spreading beyond

Don't fool yourself: they're both corporations and thus money making entities. Clearly, the difference is minor at best, since this behavior is spreading beyond the community based organizations.

smtddr 12y ago
Don't agree. I like to see tech companies trying to become more than the old-fashion 9-to-5 grind without morals/ethic and only interested in the money. We have enough of those ruining the world already. I'm happy to see mozilla rise above bigotry and get Eich out and I hope similar happens to Rice. It's one thing to have your private opinion, I'm not calling for stormfront.org to be shut down(as extrememly disgusting as it is). It's another thing to put action to your opinions in the form of taking others' rights away(prop8) or wiretapping/murder/torturing people. It's time those of us in tech stop pretending we live in a vacuum without politics and make sure we send a clear message that we are(should be) very much against discrimination based on race/gender/orientation or gross human rights violations.
- sigzero 12y ago
  They didn't rise above it. Eich stepped down. He should not have had to do that. He was CTO for many years. He was at Mozilla for many years. During that time he never tried to codify his beliefs into Mozilla corporate policy and I have zero reason to believe that he would have done so as CEO.
doesnt_know 12y ago
The difference is not minor. Mozilla wouldn't exist, or at best be a tiny husk of what it is today without the community surrounding it.
- nerfhammer 12y ago
  Mozilla wouldn't exist without a search bar that defaults to a search engines that pay them back a share of resulting ad revenue.
  - doesnt_know 12y ago
    Sure. Mozilla also needs revenue of some kind to stay afloat. But unless you are making the argument that only bigots are capable of running a successful business, I'm not really sure what your point is.
    - nerfhammer 12y ago
      ... that's not my point at all
      - doesnt_know 12y ago
        Then what is your point?
        coldtea 12y ago
        He stated it quite clear. Someone higher in this thread said that Mozilla is not like Dropbox because it's a "community" and he came to say that Mozilla is a "money making entitiy" just as much as Dropbox. He never said or implied anything about "only bigots being capable of running a successful business". If we are to assume anything from what he said, is that whether the CEO is a bigot or not is beside the point.
        doesnt_know 12y ago
        Except those are completely different commenter's?
        coldtea 12y ago
        Are you unable to follow a simple discussion thread? nerfhammer wrote "Mozilla wouldn't exist without a search bar that defaults to a search engines that pay them back a share of resulting ad revenue", responding to you in order to support what burntroots said (that Mozilla is also a corporation, a money making entity, etc). So that was "his point" as well -- in support of burntroots' argument. What's difficult to understand? And where did anybody said that "only bigots are capable of running a successful business"?
pbiggar 12y ago
It sounds like you're not aware of how the non-profit Mozilla Foundation own the for-profit Mozilla Corporation. This is not a minor difference. (former Mozilla employee here)

Don't fool yourself: they're both corporations and thus money making entities. Clearly, the difference is minor at best, since this behavior is spreading beyond the community based organizations.

smtddr 12y ago

Don't agree. I like to see tech companies trying to become more than the old-fashion 9-to-5 grind without morals/ethic and only interested in the money. We have enough of those ruining the world already. I'm happy to see mozilla rise above bigotry and get Eich out and I hope similar happens to Rice. It's one thing to have your private opinion, I'm not calling for stormfront.org to be shut down(as extrememly disgusting as it is). It's another thing to put action to your opinions in the form of taking others' rights away(prop8) or wiretapping/murder/torturing people. It's time those of us in tech stop pretending we live in a vacuum without politics and make sure we send a clear message that we are(should be) very much against discrimination based on race/gender/orientation or gross human rights violations.

sigzero 12y ago
They didn't rise above it. Eich stepped down. He should not have had to do that. He was CTO for many years. He was at Mozilla for many years. During that time he never tried to codify his beliefs into Mozilla corporate policy and I have zero reason to believe that he would have done so as CEO.

doesnt_know 12y ago

The difference is not minor. Mozilla wouldn't exist, or at best be a tiny husk of what it is today without the community surrounding it.

nerfhammer 12y ago
Mozilla wouldn't exist without a search bar that defaults to a search engines that pay them back a share of resulting ad revenue.
- doesnt_know 12y ago
  Sure. Mozilla also needs revenue of some kind to stay afloat. But unless you are making the argument that only bigots are capable of running a successful business, I'm not really sure what your point is.
  - nerfhammer 12y ago
    ... that's not my point at all
    - doesnt_know 12y ago
      Then what is your point?
      - coldtea 12y ago
        He stated it quite clear. Someone higher in this thread said that Mozilla is not like Dropbox because it's a "community" and he came to say that Mozilla is a "money making entitiy" just as much as Dropbox. He never said or implied anything about "only bigots being capable of running a successful business". If we are to assume anything from what he said, is that whether the CEO is a bigot or not is beside the point.
        doesnt_know 12y ago
        Except those are completely different commenter's?
        coldtea 12y ago
        Are you unable to follow a simple discussion thread? nerfhammer wrote "Mozilla wouldn't exist without a search bar that defaults to a search engines that pay them back a share of resulting ad revenue", responding to you in order to support what burntroots said (that Mozilla is also a corporation, a money making entity, etc). So that was "his point" as well -- in support of burntroots' argument. What's difficult to understand? And where did anybody said that "only bigots are capable of running a successful business"?

pbiggar 12y ago

It sounds like you're not aware of how the non-profit Mozilla Foundation own the for-profit Mozilla Corporation. This is not a minor difference. (former Mozilla employee here)