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Leviticus Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22 If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13 Something about wanting their cake and eat

by Tohhou 12y ago

Leviticus Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22 If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13 Something about wanting their cake and eating it too. Beside this, my point is that even if people join this church, they have undoubtedly donated money to an anti-gay church in the past, which makes them forever unworthy apparently.

i80and 12y ago
For the record, that's nonsense: the Levitical laws are typically not taken as binding for Christians. The reasons for that are surprisingly straightforward (see: entire NT), but this is a rather silly tangent issue on an already-silly thread and is just not the forum. And no, while I've given money to a church, it is not anti-gay, thankyouverymuch.
- Tohhou 12y ago
  >the Levitical laws are typically not taken as binding for Christians http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm
  - i80and 12y ago
    The purpose of the Law was to keep his Covenant separate and in line until Christ came to fulfill (you might see that word in your link) the Law's function. Galatians 5:14 (referencing Matthew 22:38 no doubt): "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" Additionally, translation difficulties make a lot of sexual concepts tricky to relate to contemporary cultural English (since our modern conceptualization of sex is thankfully quite a bit different from the ancient world). And anyway this is all moot, because unless you subscribe to Replacement theology (which I'm not familiar with, so do not have an opinion on), very few Christians are part of Israel. EDIT: Scratch that last paragraph: now that I think about it, Peter's vision in Acts 10 rendered dietary uncleanness and circumcision---part of the Law---null and void even though he was a Jew and so part of Israel. So maybe even Jewish Christians aren't under the Law? I'm not sure, TBH.
abraininavat 12y ago
By arguing fervently that all Christians and all Christian Churches are fervently anti-gay, you're obscuring your point, which actually isn't a horrible one. To support your point, which is that Yagan's actions are tantamount to donating money to a (for example) Catholic charity that happens to be anti-gay, you only need to point out that some Christians and some Christian churches are anti-gay.
mcv 12y ago
Have you read the rest of Leviticus? Do you know of anyone who keeps all of those rules? And not without reason; those rules have been overridden in the NT. As far as I know, homosexuality is mentioned a grand total of 3 times in the entire bible, some of those were arguably a lot more specific than homosexuality in general (like temple prostitution or rape), and none of them from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself. Compare this to the number of times Jesus himself insists on loving everybody (neighbour, enemy), or argues against wealth. Don't just cherry pick a few verses from some dark corners, read the entire thing, and understand its context, understand what the core message is. Really, if you listen to some people, you'd think that the bible is all about Genesis 1 and Leviticus, and anything later is pretty much irrelevant (except maybe the Revelations of John).

by Tohhou 12y ago

i80and 12y ago

For the record, that's nonsense: the Levitical laws are typically not taken as binding for Christians. The reasons for that are surprisingly straightforward (see: entire NT), but this is a rather silly tangent issue on an already-silly thread and is just not the forum. And no, while I've given money to a church, it is not anti-gay, thankyouverymuch.

Tohhou 12y ago
>the Levitical laws are typically not taken as binding for Christians http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm
- i80and 12y ago
  The purpose of the Law was to keep his Covenant separate and in line until Christ came to fulfill (you might see that word in your link) the Law's function. Galatians 5:14 (referencing Matthew 22:38 no doubt): "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" Additionally, translation difficulties make a lot of sexual concepts tricky to relate to contemporary cultural English (since our modern conceptualization of sex is thankfully quite a bit different from the ancient world). And anyway this is all moot, because unless you subscribe to Replacement theology (which I'm not familiar with, so do not have an opinion on), very few Christians are part of Israel. EDIT: Scratch that last paragraph: now that I think about it, Peter's vision in Acts 10 rendered dietary uncleanness and circumcision---part of the Law---null and void even though he was a Jew and so part of Israel. So maybe even Jewish Christians aren't under the Law? I'm not sure, TBH.

abraininavat 12y ago

By arguing fervently that all Christians and all Christian Churches are fervently anti-gay, you're obscuring your point, which actually isn't a horrible one. To support your point, which is that Yagan's actions are tantamount to donating money to a (for example) Catholic charity that happens to be anti-gay, you only need to point out that some Christians and some Christian churches are anti-gay.

mcv 12y ago

Have you read the rest of Leviticus? Do you know of anyone who keeps all of those rules? And not without reason; those rules have been overridden in the NT. As far as I know, homosexuality is mentioned a grand total of 3 times in the entire bible, some of those were arguably a lot more specific than homosexuality in general (like temple prostitution or rape), and none of them from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself. Compare this to the number of times Jesus himself insists on loving everybody (neighbour, enemy), or argues against wealth. Don't just cherry pick a few verses from some dark corners, read the entire thing, and understand its context, understand what the core message is. Really, if you listen to some people, you'd think that the bible is all about Genesis 1 and Leviticus, and anything later is pretty much irrelevant (except maybe the Revelations of John).