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No, Eich's $1000 didn't singlehandedly determine a law. It's peanuts. It's nothing. On the other hand, this witch hunt did singlehandedly disenfranchise him of

No, Eich's $1000 didn't singlehandedly determine a law. It's peanuts. It's nothing. On the other hand, this witch hunt did singlehandedly disenfranchise him of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of employment. There is no comparison.

eevee 12y ago
The inventor of JavaScript will have to find something else to do. Woe unto him. It's not a witch hunt if we really did catch him red-handed using his magical powers for evil.
- momentarily 12y ago
  It is a witch hunt. He didn't do anything illegal. Your moral judgment concerns no one but you. It is binding on no one but you. You are a bigot. Everyone that is complicit in disenfranchising this man of employment because of his political opinions is a bigot. Political persecution doesn't just happen in the third world. It also happens here. And it's a crime against humanity wherever it happens. You are responsible for what you did. I am holding you responsible for your actions. I am holding you responsible for what you did to this man.
  - eevee 12y ago
    I didn't do anything illegal, either. Yet you seem to have some unspoken set of rules beyond mere law that govern what is acceptable behavior. I've got some of those, too. I don't want him to not have a job. I want him to not have this job. I'm curious why it's okay for him to pay money in an attempt to enforce his opinions on others via law, but I'm a bigot and a pox upon civilization for talking on Twitter.
    - momentarily 12y ago
      You called Eich evil. Eich is not evil. You are evil for helping to disenfranchise him of his employment because you disagreed with his opinions. This is political oppression. You are a bigot. You are evil.
dnr 12y ago
The pro-prop-8 side spent $39M. The passage of the amendment caused the state to stop recognizing 18,000 previously-legitimate marriages. So if you count only immediate effects, his $1000 contribution works out to 0.46 marriages, or destroying the marriage of about one person. Is the emotional harm done to that person worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? It's at least comparable. In fact I think the harm done to Californians and other Americans by the passage of prop 8 is vastly more than is implied by that simple calculation. I'll just link to my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525692
- momentarily 12y ago
  What's the sound of one person getting married?
  - eevee 12y ago
    "I do"?
    - momentarily 12y ago
      You can't get married by yourself.
  - dnr 12y ago
    Do you believe that you're making a good-faith attempt to understand how prop 8 caused actual harm to people, and how Eich bears some responsibility for that harm? For this purpose you don't even have to accept that it was a net negative; you could even believe that prop 8 was overall positive for society. Just that it also caused some harm to some people, and that Eich suffering harm as well is not some crazy unjustified notion, but can be talked about in the same way.
    - momentarily 12y ago
      Don't talk to me about good faith. There is not a shred of good faith in the witch hunt you have staged against Eich. You have disenfranchised this man of employment for which he was more than qualified. You have oppressed him politically and financially. You are bigots, each and every one of you.

eevee 12y ago

The inventor of JavaScript will have to find something else to do. Woe unto him. It's not a witch hunt if we really did catch him red-handed using his magical powers for evil.

momentarily 12y ago
It is a witch hunt. He didn't do anything illegal. Your moral judgment concerns no one but you. It is binding on no one but you. You are a bigot. Everyone that is complicit in disenfranchising this man of employment because of his political opinions is a bigot. Political persecution doesn't just happen in the third world. It also happens here. And it's a crime against humanity wherever it happens. You are responsible for what you did. I am holding you responsible for your actions. I am holding you responsible for what you did to this man.
- eevee 12y ago
  I didn't do anything illegal, either. Yet you seem to have some unspoken set of rules beyond mere law that govern what is acceptable behavior. I've got some of those, too. I don't want him to not have a job. I want him to not have this job. I'm curious why it's okay for him to pay money in an attempt to enforce his opinions on others via law, but I'm a bigot and a pox upon civilization for talking on Twitter.
  - momentarily 12y ago
    You called Eich evil. Eich is not evil. You are evil for helping to disenfranchise him of his employment because you disagreed with his opinions. This is political oppression. You are a bigot. You are evil.

dnr 12y ago

The pro-prop-8 side spent $39M. The passage of the amendment caused the state to stop recognizing 18,000 previously-legitimate marriages. So if you count only immediate effects, his $1000 contribution works out to 0.46 marriages, or destroying the marriage of about one person. Is the emotional harm done to that person worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? It's at least comparable. In fact I think the harm done to Californians and other Americans by the passage of prop 8 is vastly more than is implied by that simple calculation. I'll just link to my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525692

momentarily 12y ago
What's the sound of one person getting married?
- eevee 12y ago
  "I do"?
  - momentarily 12y ago
    You can't get married by yourself.
- dnr 12y ago
  Do you believe that you're making a good-faith attempt to understand how prop 8 caused actual harm to people, and how Eich bears some responsibility for that harm? For this purpose you don't even have to accept that it was a net negative; you could even believe that prop 8 was overall positive for society. Just that it also caused some harm to some people, and that Eich suffering harm as well is not some crazy unjustified notion, but can be talked about in the same way.
  - momentarily 12y ago
    Don't talk to me about good faith. There is not a shred of good faith in the witch hunt you have staged against Eich. You have disenfranchised this man of employment for which he was more than qualified. You have oppressed him politically and financially. You are bigots, each and every one of you.