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I know women, programmers, who are in love with programming. Hell they're more in love with programming even maybe than I am. We have wonderful arguments about

I know women, programmers, who are in love with programming. Hell they're more in love with programming even maybe than I am. We have wonderful arguments about SOLID, and CQRS and event-sourcing and queues, and pipes, and job servers. Loving your job isn't exclusive to men. Anti-sexism is reaching a different type of extreme, where certainly we should be hiring women who don't love their job, just so we're not sexist? I know where to draw the line. And I'm drawing it before that.

aliakbarkhan 12y ago
What you're saying is essentially that women should be discriminated against simply because they don't use the same phrasing as you. You're arrogantly demanding that they change the way they see the world simply because you don't like it. A person who doesn't say they "love" their job can still be as dedicated and passionate about it as you are -- they just put it in different terms. If a particular group of people is more likely to use different terms, then to discriminate against their terminology is to discriminate against that group. I'm sorry you can't stand that other people don't "love" their job, but why is it any of your business? If they do the job well and are comfortable doing it, then there is no reason to discriminate against them.
- mantrax3 12y ago
  Are you seriously implying that we should split English into "women English" and "men English" now? Even if a woman is less likely to call it "I love programming" when she sees "if you love programming, come check out site" do you expect she'd react something like "woah, fuck that I don't love programming, I merely like it with sufficient intensity"? Are we going to analyze women like these strange animals, with their own language and what not? I prefer to see them as people. I don't have to mimic precisely the dictionary and phrasing of a woman to effectively communicate with her. Speech is flexible enough to accomodate unique expression while expressing the right intent. What have we turned into that "I love my job" is controversial language all of a sudden?
steveklabnik 12y ago
Until you can demonstrate empiric data like the book can, I think I'll stick with the book, rather than an anecdote from a day-old account.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> I know women, programmers, who are in love with programming. Hell they're more in love with programming even maybe than I am. Two things: 1) "I know people" is anecdote, it doesn't say anything about broad social trend. 2) The issue isn't whether women are as likely to share the feeling men call "love" toward programming, its whether women who have that feeling are as likely to call it "love".

aliakbarkhan 12y ago

What you're saying is essentially that women should be discriminated against simply because they don't use the same phrasing as you. You're arrogantly demanding that they change the way they see the world simply because you don't like it. A person who doesn't say they "love" their job can still be as dedicated and passionate about it as you are -- they just put it in different terms. If a particular group of people is more likely to use different terms, then to discriminate against their terminology is to discriminate against that group. I'm sorry you can't stand that other people don't "love" their job, but why is it any of your business? If they do the job well and are comfortable doing it, then there is no reason to discriminate against them.

mantrax3 12y ago
Are you seriously implying that we should split English into "women English" and "men English" now? Even if a woman is less likely to call it "I love programming" when she sees "if you love programming, come check out site" do you expect she'd react something like "woah, fuck that I don't love programming, I merely like it with sufficient intensity"? Are we going to analyze women like these strange animals, with their own language and what not? I prefer to see them as people. I don't have to mimic precisely the dictionary and phrasing of a woman to effectively communicate with her. Speech is flexible enough to accomodate unique expression while expressing the right intent. What have we turned into that "I love my job" is controversial language all of a sudden?

steveklabnik 12y ago

Until you can demonstrate empiric data like the book can, I think I'll stick with the book, rather than an anecdote from a day-old account.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> I know women, programmers, who are in love with programming. Hell they're more in love with programming even maybe than I am. Two things: 1) "I know people" is anecdote, it doesn't say anything about broad social trend. 2) The issue isn't whether women are as likely to share the feeling men call "love" toward programming, its whether women who have that feeling are as likely to call it "love".