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Just to give yet another perspective. You seem to imply that the Armenian Genocide is not a fact but an allegation. Well just as an example, here is an quote f

Just to give yet another perspective. You seem to imply that the Armenian Genocide is not a fact but an allegation. Well just as an example, here is an quote from the wikipedia article that was shared: 'Volkan Vural, retired ambassador of Turkey to Germany and Spain[...]states that, "I think that, the Armenian issue can be solved by politicians and not by historians. I don't believe that historical facts about this issue is not revealed"' It is an old story and the events of the genocide are known well enough for it not to be an allegation anymore. Right after your own quotation was written: "The word genocide was coined in order to describe these events" "you should at least consider removal of Germany as a member from EU" I don't think removal of Germany should be considered based on what was said here since Germany acknowledged their genocide and provided excuses in several instances as well as money.

beyti 12y ago
I hope I understand you wrong because it seems "acknowledgement", "money" and "excuses" makes a genocide ok. And I don't imply it as not a fact, I imply mine knowledge doesn't have enough variance on the issue and being a EU member doesn't require clean records. Turkey is not a follower of Ottoman Empire, it's a modernization and revolution product of it. This deserves an equal judgement as numerous other countries with violent histories already have.
- lambdaxy 12y ago
  Indeed you understood me wrong but maybe I wasn't clear: People who committed the genocide have already been judged by History (And obviously it is wrong). The people living now in Germany and Turkey have not committed a genocide. However the question I want to ask to the people living now is: would you do it again? Germany clearly answered no. While the Republic of Turkey is not providing an adequate answer to this because it denies having done it. I understand that Turkey and the Ottoman Empire are two different things. The same is true of the Germany of 1940 and contemporary Germany. "being a EU member doesn't require clean records". Obviously. Otherwise nobody would be a member of the EU. It is not the clean record but the acknowledgement that makes the difference which is all I was pointing out.
  - beyti 12y ago
    Ok. I wish you can believe me when I say that there is still an uneducated and "religion over logic" minded people in Turkey and our governments use these people. But on the other hand, there is a great crowd who understands the need of educated people and logical responses to these matters. I just find it hypocritical to blame all the people of a country without any detailed knowledge but with only common phrases (which is possibly mined from a biased relative). This is a common phrase for a Turkish people and I find it difficult to believe all the people who told this phrase to have been researched the subject from varied sources. At least I wish, more educated people who only talks when they know something for sure or open to suggestions to write here(hackernews) at these sensitive topics. Not the overheard people, just to avoid misinformation.
    - lambdaxy 12y ago
      I totally understand your concerns and indeed when we speak about the Republic of Turkey we are not speaking about all Turkish people.

beyti 12y ago

I hope I understand you wrong because it seems "acknowledgement", "money" and "excuses" makes a genocide ok. And I don't imply it as not a fact, I imply mine knowledge doesn't have enough variance on the issue and being a EU member doesn't require clean records. Turkey is not a follower of Ottoman Empire, it's a modernization and revolution product of it. This deserves an equal judgement as numerous other countries with violent histories already have.

lambdaxy 12y ago
Indeed you understood me wrong but maybe I wasn't clear: People who committed the genocide have already been judged by History (And obviously it is wrong). The people living now in Germany and Turkey have not committed a genocide. However the question I want to ask to the people living now is: would you do it again? Germany clearly answered no. While the Republic of Turkey is not providing an adequate answer to this because it denies having done it. I understand that Turkey and the Ottoman Empire are two different things. The same is true of the Germany of 1940 and contemporary Germany. "being a EU member doesn't require clean records". Obviously. Otherwise nobody would be a member of the EU. It is not the clean record but the acknowledgement that makes the difference which is all I was pointing out.
- beyti 12y ago
  Ok. I wish you can believe me when I say that there is still an uneducated and "religion over logic" minded people in Turkey and our governments use these people. But on the other hand, there is a great crowd who understands the need of educated people and logical responses to these matters. I just find it hypocritical to blame all the people of a country without any detailed knowledge but with only common phrases (which is possibly mined from a biased relative). This is a common phrase for a Turkish people and I find it difficult to believe all the people who told this phrase to have been researched the subject from varied sources. At least I wish, more educated people who only talks when they know something for sure or open to suggestions to write here(hackernews) at these sensitive topics. Not the overheard people, just to avoid misinformation.
  - lambdaxy 12y ago
    I totally understand your concerns and indeed when we speak about the Republic of Turkey we are not speaking about all Turkish people.