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Ah Netbeans! I remember using this IDE during my university time - and it still looks like shit after so many years :) Take a good look at what JetBrains did.

brokenparser 13y ago
IntelliJ also looks like shit. It has its own toolkit and the same horrible font rendering as any other swing program. If you want your IDE to be pretty, try Eclipse.
- __xtrimsky 13y ago
  you are really mentioning Eclipse as a pretty IDE or is it a joke ? :P
  - virtualwhys 13y ago
    If we're talking Linux, then yes, IntelliJ is a gruesome sight indeed.
    - Yetanfou 13y ago
      Not in the guise of Android Studio, using the Darcula skin. It is actually rather pleasant to look at, as far as IDE's go. Just make those humongous fonts a bit smaller and it looks quite sleek. I wonder why so many Java apps insist on using oversized fonts and features, especially since Swing was introduced?
      - thejosh 13y ago
        Font rendering is still horrible on Linux compared to Sublime.
- Justsignedup 13y ago
  Am i missing some magical eclipse configuration? I need to increase font sizes and at best i can only do half the IDE. Eclipse has been an atrocious experience for me so far.
  - kentosi 13y ago
    I'll admit that the default eclipse theme looks hideous on a mac, which is why I use this: https://github.com/jeeeyul/eclipse-themes https://github.com/jeeeyul/eclipse-themes
    - moondowner 13y ago
      This plugin should be preinstalled by default for all platforms.
    - Justsignedup 13y ago
      Yeah, still doesn't let u customize the right fonts. I am using it now. I think a newer version removed that feature (wtf)
- smrtinsert 13y ago
  It is really ugly and yes with jeeyuls themes, yum! Soon Eclipse will have icons ready for dark themes too, can't wait.
- kablosna 13y ago
  Re antialiasing, if it's not looking right, try passing -J-Dswing.aatext=true -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd -J-Dorg.netbeans.editor.aa.extra.hints=true (on the command line or add it in $NETBEANS/etc/netbeans.conf)
__xtrimsky 13y ago
Netbeans is actually my favorite IDE for PHP development. JetBrains isn't free, and for PHP I do prefer Netbeans anyways.
- solo_ 13y ago
  I like the IntelliJ community edition. Sure, it doesn't have everything in the full version, but it's pretty good for what it offers.
  - chipotle_coyote 13y ago
    Unfortunately, the IntelliJ community edition doesn't support most non-JVM-based languages. This is the main thing holding me back from it -- I mostly program in PHP but I do a fair amount in Python, a little in Ruby, some in Javascript, and recently some in Clojure. To do all this with IntelliJ requires the full commercial "Ultimate Edition." And just to top it off, from all appearances the free Clojure plugin is being deprecated in favor of the third-party Cursive Clojure, which is free now but "will be a commercial project at a similar price point to PyCharm or RubyMine." Since it's not a JetBrains product, that's more than likely means another $99 on top of the $199 for Ultimate. I like what I've seen of JetBrains' stuff but I don't think I like it enough to shell out that much.
    - lemming 13y ago
      Author of Cursive here. You're right, it's unfortunate that I can't get around having to charge on top of Ultimate. However note that the Community edition now includes their Python support (although not the frameworks), and for a lot of people one of their specialised IDEs (PyCharm or RubyMine, for Python or Ruby support with all the web tech) will be sufficient. I'm going to look into providing Cursive as a plugin for those IDEs to make the price more reasonable for folks who don't want Java, but I'm not sure how much work that will be since those IDEs don't include the base Java support that Cursive relies on.
      - chipotle_coyote 12y ago
voidlogic 13y ago
It doesn't have to look that bad, their screenshots are not using the OS's native look and feel (LAF) but the really ugly Java fallback one.
elwell 13y ago
Regarding UI appearance, it really depends on what OS you're using and what theme/feel you choose. Though I agree, some people using some very ugly Netbeans settings [0]. [0] - https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/leiningen_clojure_and_netbeans_ide https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/leiningen_clojure_an...
WoodenChair 13y ago
When you make a comment like this, please specify what operating system you're running the software under. I think Netbeans looks quite good on OS X. Much better than Eclipse (low bar) and competitive with other IDEs.
peterashford 13y ago
Good point! I find that the look of the IDE is the most important feature when I'm coding.

brokenparser 13y ago

IntelliJ also looks like shit. It has its own toolkit and the same horrible font rendering as any other swing program. If you want your IDE to be pretty, try Eclipse.

__xtrimsky 13y ago
you are really mentioning Eclipse as a pretty IDE or is it a joke ? :P
- virtualwhys 13y ago
  If we're talking Linux, then yes, IntelliJ is a gruesome sight indeed.
  - Yetanfou 13y ago
    Not in the guise of Android Studio, using the Darcula skin. It is actually rather pleasant to look at, as far as IDE's go. Just make those humongous fonts a bit smaller and it looks quite sleek. I wonder why so many Java apps insist on using oversized fonts and features, especially since Swing was introduced?
    - thejosh 13y ago
      Font rendering is still horrible on Linux compared to Sublime.
Justsignedup 13y ago
Am i missing some magical eclipse configuration? I need to increase font sizes and at best i can only do half the IDE. Eclipse has been an atrocious experience for me so far.
- kentosi 13y ago
  I'll admit that the default eclipse theme looks hideous on a mac, which is why I use this: https://github.com/jeeeyul/eclipse-themes https://github.com/jeeeyul/eclipse-themes
  - moondowner 13y ago
    This plugin should be preinstalled by default for all platforms.
  - Justsignedup 13y ago
    Yeah, still doesn't let u customize the right fonts. I am using it now. I think a newer version removed that feature (wtf)
smrtinsert 13y ago
It is really ugly and yes with jeeyuls themes, yum! Soon Eclipse will have icons ready for dark themes too, can't wait.
kablosna 13y ago
Re antialiasing, if it's not looking right, try passing -J-Dswing.aatext=true -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd -J-Dorg.netbeans.editor.aa.extra.hints=true (on the command line or add it in $NETBEANS/etc/netbeans.conf)

__xtrimsky 13y ago

Netbeans is actually my favorite IDE for PHP development. JetBrains isn't free, and for PHP I do prefer Netbeans anyways.

solo_ 13y ago
I like the IntelliJ community edition. Sure, it doesn't have everything in the full version, but it's pretty good for what it offers.
- chipotle_coyote 13y ago
  Unfortunately, the IntelliJ community edition doesn't support most non-JVM-based languages. This is the main thing holding me back from it -- I mostly program in PHP but I do a fair amount in Python, a little in Ruby, some in Javascript, and recently some in Clojure. To do all this with IntelliJ requires the full commercial "Ultimate Edition." And just to top it off, from all appearances the free Clojure plugin is being deprecated in favor of the third-party Cursive Clojure, which is free now but "will be a commercial project at a similar price point to PyCharm or RubyMine." Since it's not a JetBrains product, that's more than likely means another $99 on top of the $199 for Ultimate. I like what I've seen of JetBrains' stuff but I don't think I like it enough to shell out that much.
  - lemming 13y ago
    Author of Cursive here. You're right, it's unfortunate that I can't get around having to charge on top of Ultimate. However note that the Community edition now includes their Python support (although not the frameworks), and for a lot of people one of their specialised IDEs (PyCharm or RubyMine, for Python or Ruby support with all the web tech) will be sufficient. I'm going to look into providing Cursive as a plugin for those IDEs to make the price more reasonable for folks who don't want Java, but I'm not sure how much work that will be since those IDEs don't include the base Java support that Cursive relies on.
    - chipotle_coyote 12y ago

voidlogic 13y ago

It doesn't have to look that bad, their screenshots are not using the OS's native look and feel (LAF) but the really ugly Java fallback one.

elwell 13y ago

Regarding UI appearance, it really depends on what OS you're using and what theme/feel you choose. Though I agree, some people using some very ugly Netbeans settings [0]. [0] - https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/leiningen_clojure_and_netbeans_ide https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/leiningen_clojure_an...

WoodenChair 13y ago

When you make a comment like this, please specify what operating system you're running the software under. I think Netbeans looks quite good on OS X. Much better than Eclipse (low bar) and competitive with other IDEs.

peterashford 13y ago

Good point! I find that the look of the IDE is the most important feature when I'm coding.