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Hula hooping in a non-private space is equivalent to screaming "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" If people are hula hooping, regardless of whether they are male or fema

by Karn 13y ago

Hula hooping in a non-private space is equivalent to screaming "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" If people are hula hooping, regardless of whether they are male or female, people are going to look. If the women were working on a laptop, or having a quiet conversation, and THEN men were gawping, that would be unacceptable. Want to hula hoop without being looked at? Do it in a private space. > You are basically using the same logic as countries that require burqas in public. Of course, because saying that "if you do attention-attracting activities in public, people are going to look, deal with it" is the same as saying "women must cover themselves head to toe in public."

SolarNet 13y ago
It's not that people were looking, it was that they were gawking. It's not that they glanced at it, or watched for a few seconds. It's that they spent a prolonged time watching it.
- Karn 13y ago
  And I'm saying it's perfectly OK to "spend a prolonged time watching it". If women are doing something that involves a lot of pelvic gyrations, then yes, it is absolutely understandable AND acceptable that men will stare. It's not the men turning them into "sex objects" or whatever, the women already did that. And it's healthy, and normal, and most red-blooded men and women not only find it acceptable, they enjoy it. If you have the mindset that if women are dancing a man may only glance at it for a few seconds, I pity you and whatever caused you to turn out that way. And this was at a party. If someone is so repressed that watching men stare at dancing women at a party makes them uncomfortable, they should stay home. Or move to a burqa-wearing country.
  - SolarNet 13y ago
    Do you have a source for the "at a party" part? The majority of my comments have been predicated that this was in a work environment. The Horvath techcrunch article states "at the office". More to the point: Yes because women moving their hips means they automatically want to be considered for their sexual characteristics. /sarcasm Admittedly, if this was at a party and they were hula hooping then sure no problem at all. But just because a person moves their body around in an office doesn't mean they are looking for sexual partners! It's not that "a man may only glance at it for a few seconds". It's that in some environments (like office ones) they should have the self control to not care what other people are doing with their bodies.
    - Karn 13y ago
      > Do you have a source https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408466 > Yes because women moving their hips means they automatically want to be considered for their sexual characteristics. /sarcasm Actually, yes, they do. If you don't know this then either you're very inexperienced with women or you're the kind of guy they willingly keep in the dark about what they want.
      - hippee-lee 13y ago
        So women in a yoga class ( at work ) are actively promoting their sexual characteristics at that time? Your comment reads very, very predatory.
        Karn 13y ago
        And yours and the other guy's read very, very naive. > So women in a yoga class ( at work ) are actively promoting their sexual characteristics at that time? How do you even equate yoga class with hula dancing at a party? If a bunch of women are taking, say, yoga or pole dancing or belly dancing class, then no, they're not doing it to get male attention, at least not during the class. But there isn't a woman alive who doesn't realise that hula dancing at a party will attract male sexual attention. Or doing yoga in the middle of the office in tight, tight yoga pants. Another example. If a guy has a great physique, and wears a tank top at the gym, he's not necessarily trying to get attention. But if he goes everywhere wearing T-shirts two sizes too small, and walks around with muscles flexed all the time, the only reason he's doing that is for attention. Do you begin to understand? I bet you and solarnet are the guys who come home alone from the party, saying "Come on guys, just because she was leaning into me and rubbing her foot up and down my leg doesn't mean she wanted to sleep with me! You guys are such sexist assholes, ha ha!"
      - pron 13y ago
        You're obviously an expert anthropologist and psychologist, so perhaps you can explain why is it that women find the need to flaunt their "sexual characteristic" at a workplace party (or any party for that matter)? Is this behavior common among women of all cultures? Has it been common throughout the ages? Is it a result of women's peculiar biology or perhaps of another mysterious dynamics? Is this practice commonly regarded as pleasant among human females? And what is it exactly that they want if they hope to achieve it with this colorful behavior (I once heard that human females may want a stable male partner to help rear their young; is this "hula-hooping at a party" the best evolutionary strategy to obtain that goal)? Also, males of lesser species often display their buttocks prominently to attract females. Is this accepted behavior among humans, too? Is it common practice at GitHub?
- mapt 13y ago
  You get to feel mildly uncomfortable about people staring at a moving body, if you are the hoola-hooper. The most extreme acceptable course of corrective action is to stop hoola-hooping. A bystander gets no such luxury, and if the concern is an intrusive thought which makes them feel threatened... then maybe they're not suitably mature to participate in social endeavors. It seems like a pretty reasonable (albeit one-sided) complaint except for this one point - but the fact that she was threatened by that, casts some small measure of doubt on the plausible sanity of rest of the thing.
  - SolarNet 13y ago
    Or perhaps it's the rest of the thing that colored her view of this perhaps harmless event. It could go both ways. Prolonged sexual harassment by two (three?) people at a company where HR does nothing effective and your perceptions of the rest of the company are bound to become warped.

by Karn 13y ago

SolarNet 13y ago

It's not that people were looking, it was that they were gawking. It's not that they glanced at it, or watched for a few seconds. It's that they spent a prolonged time watching it.

Karn 13y ago
And I'm saying it's perfectly OK to "spend a prolonged time watching it". If women are doing something that involves a lot of pelvic gyrations, then yes, it is absolutely understandable AND acceptable that men will stare. It's not the men turning them into "sex objects" or whatever, the women already did that. And it's healthy, and normal, and most red-blooded men and women not only find it acceptable, they enjoy it. If you have the mindset that if women are dancing a man may only glance at it for a few seconds, I pity you and whatever caused you to turn out that way. And this was at a party. If someone is so repressed that watching men stare at dancing women at a party makes them uncomfortable, they should stay home. Or move to a burqa-wearing country.
- SolarNet 13y ago
  Do you have a source for the "at a party" part? The majority of my comments have been predicated that this was in a work environment. The Horvath techcrunch article states "at the office". More to the point: Yes because women moving their hips means they automatically want to be considered for their sexual characteristics. /sarcasm Admittedly, if this was at a party and they were hula hooping then sure no problem at all. But just because a person moves their body around in an office doesn't mean they are looking for sexual partners! It's not that "a man may only glance at it for a few seconds". It's that in some environments (like office ones) they should have the self control to not care what other people are doing with their bodies.
  - Karn 13y ago
    > Do you have a source https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408466 > Yes because women moving their hips means they automatically want to be considered for their sexual characteristics. /sarcasm Actually, yes, they do. If you don't know this then either you're very inexperienced with women or you're the kind of guy they willingly keep in the dark about what they want.
    - hippee-lee 13y ago
      So women in a yoga class ( at work ) are actively promoting their sexual characteristics at that time? Your comment reads very, very predatory.
      - Karn 13y ago
        And yours and the other guy's read very, very naive. > So women in a yoga class ( at work ) are actively promoting their sexual characteristics at that time? How do you even equate yoga class with hula dancing at a party? If a bunch of women are taking, say, yoga or pole dancing or belly dancing class, then no, they're not doing it to get male attention, at least not during the class. But there isn't a woman alive who doesn't realise that hula dancing at a party will attract male sexual attention. Or doing yoga in the middle of the office in tight, tight yoga pants. Another example. If a guy has a great physique, and wears a tank top at the gym, he's not necessarily trying to get attention. But if he goes everywhere wearing T-shirts two sizes too small, and walks around with muscles flexed all the time, the only reason he's doing that is for attention. Do you begin to understand? I bet you and solarnet are the guys who come home alone from the party, saying "Come on guys, just because she was leaning into me and rubbing her foot up and down my leg doesn't mean she wanted to sleep with me! You guys are such sexist assholes, ha ha!"
    - pron 13y ago
      You're obviously an expert anthropologist and psychologist, so perhaps you can explain why is it that women find the need to flaunt their "sexual characteristic" at a workplace party (or any party for that matter)? Is this behavior common among women of all cultures? Has it been common throughout the ages? Is it a result of women's peculiar biology or perhaps of another mysterious dynamics? Is this practice commonly regarded as pleasant among human females? And what is it exactly that they want if they hope to achieve it with this colorful behavior (I once heard that human females may want a stable male partner to help rear their young; is this "hula-hooping at a party" the best evolutionary strategy to obtain that goal)? Also, males of lesser species often display their buttocks prominently to attract females. Is this accepted behavior among humans, too? Is it common practice at GitHub?
mapt 13y ago
You get to feel mildly uncomfortable about people staring at a moving body, if you are the hoola-hooper. The most extreme acceptable course of corrective action is to stop hoola-hooping. A bystander gets no such luxury, and if the concern is an intrusive thought which makes them feel threatened... then maybe they're not suitably mature to participate in social endeavors. It seems like a pretty reasonable (albeit one-sided) complaint except for this one point - but the fact that she was threatened by that, casts some small measure of doubt on the plausible sanity of rest of the thing.
- SolarNet 13y ago
  Or perhaps it's the rest of the thing that colored her view of this perhaps harmless event. It could go both ways. Prolonged sexual harassment by two (three?) people at a company where HR does nothing effective and your perceptions of the rest of the company are bound to become warped.