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The collapse of large nations is a Good Thing for the working class majority: the elite always want large nations, especially large nations with lots of racial,

The collapse of large nations is a Good Thing for the working class majority: the elite always want large nations, especially large nations with lots of racial, cultural and language divisions. That makes it easier for the elite to control the nation. It's called the 'divide et impera' strategy. That was the founding principle of the USA (see the letter from madison from jefferson wherein madison writes that the divide et impera (divide and rule) tactic is the way to rule america (madison was worth 100 mill in today's dollars when he got his inheritance; jefferson, almost the same)). When the elite can no longer hold large, divided nations together via violence and or propaganda, the working class majority form smaller, more homogeneous, less divided nations, nations that can be more easily controlled by the workers, and less easily controlled by the elite. Factions are the friend of the rich and the enemy of the masses. How do the elite create factions so they can rule? Enlarge the nation; import foreigners, especially those of another race and culture; create propaganda that focuses on identity politics; etc etc. Of course the centrally controlled dogma of the american edu-propaganda system has programmed us to feel bad about collapse of nations. Oh, it's so sad that such and such nation is breaking up. But that is an elite-centric propaganda meme. It is always a good thing when nations collapse and fall apart--a good thing from the perspective of the working class majority. Of course the more "educated" you are, the more you take the perspective of the elite--in general.

kazagistar 13y ago
We could easily halve the money held by people in the united states, and not affect the wealth of 95% of individuals. And frankly, a lot of the "wealth" in our society is in moving money, and trying to convince people to buy stuff that they don't really need and does not benefit their quality of life significantly. Not that I think a collapse is particularly likely, but even if one happens, it is very plausible that it won't really be that bad.
spiderPig 13y ago
Thanks for the detailed comment. But could you go into a bit more detail about how the elite actually benefit from factions within a large nation? Like with an example taking today's elite into account.
- squirejons 13y ago
  well, this strategy was all laid out by the designer of the american constitution over 200 years ago in the federalist papers (the ones written by madison) and his notes on the constitutional convention. Madison wrote that the primary purpose of the structure of the american govt under his constitution was to preserve wealth inequality. Madison wrote that the way to do this was to prevent the majority from uniting and discovering their common interest. The way he proposed to keep the majority from uniting was to create factions in voting districts by creating enlarged voting district (federal districts). Thus enlarged, the districts would have more factions and that would "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority" (to quote madison). Also useful in preventing the majority from using the government against the minority of the opulent was the pseudo-democratic structure of the federal govt (strong checks and balances and separation of powers). This would hinder the ability of the majority to control the government. That would keep the wealth of madsison, jefferson, washington, morris et al., safe from that dirty, brutish mob (i.e., you and me). The benefit to the elite of factions created by nation enlargement? The elite get to keep more of their wealth. As the USA grows larger and more heterogeneous with mass immigration, we are less and less in control of our own govt. Our cultural cousins in the rest of the western nations (canada, australia, UK, scandanavia, france, austria, germany etc) are all smaller and more homogeneous, and so the majority there therefore have more control of their own nations. However, as they elite cram more immigrants into those nations, factions grow and there is less majority control. And of course the elite created the EU along the lines of the USA so as to remove as much power as possible from the majority in those member nations.
  - spiderPig 13y ago
    Ah, I see your point. Basically, fragment the power of the existing population as much as possible by increasing heterogeneity within it. Seems like the only solution against this is an eventual educated population that despite it's cultural and racial diversity, will come to a common consensus.
    - squirejons 13y ago
      I agree--expose The Narrative via grassroots exposition on the web, and sooner or later the truth will spread. Slowly, but it will spread. Many europeans already know this.

kazagistar 13y ago

We could easily halve the money held by people in the united states, and not affect the wealth of 95% of individuals. And frankly, a lot of the "wealth" in our society is in moving money, and trying to convince people to buy stuff that they don't really need and does not benefit their quality of life significantly. Not that I think a collapse is particularly likely, but even if one happens, it is very plausible that it won't really be that bad.

spiderPig 13y ago

Thanks for the detailed comment. But could you go into a bit more detail about how the elite actually benefit from factions within a large nation? Like with an example taking today's elite into account.

squirejons 13y ago
well, this strategy was all laid out by the designer of the american constitution over 200 years ago in the federalist papers (the ones written by madison) and his notes on the constitutional convention. Madison wrote that the primary purpose of the structure of the american govt under his constitution was to preserve wealth inequality. Madison wrote that the way to do this was to prevent the majority from uniting and discovering their common interest. The way he proposed to keep the majority from uniting was to create factions in voting districts by creating enlarged voting district (federal districts). Thus enlarged, the districts would have more factions and that would "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority" (to quote madison). Also useful in preventing the majority from using the government against the minority of the opulent was the pseudo-democratic structure of the federal govt (strong checks and balances and separation of powers). This would hinder the ability of the majority to control the government. That would keep the wealth of madsison, jefferson, washington, morris et al., safe from that dirty, brutish mob (i.e., you and me). The benefit to the elite of factions created by nation enlargement? The elite get to keep more of their wealth. As the USA grows larger and more heterogeneous with mass immigration, we are less and less in control of our own govt. Our cultural cousins in the rest of the western nations (canada, australia, UK, scandanavia, france, austria, germany etc) are all smaller and more homogeneous, and so the majority there therefore have more control of their own nations. However, as they elite cram more immigrants into those nations, factions grow and there is less majority control. And of course the elite created the EU along the lines of the USA so as to remove as much power as possible from the majority in those member nations.
- spiderPig 13y ago
  Ah, I see your point. Basically, fragment the power of the existing population as much as possible by increasing heterogeneity within it. Seems like the only solution against this is an eventual educated population that despite it's cultural and racial diversity, will come to a common consensus.
  - squirejons 13y ago
    I agree--expose The Narrative via grassroots exposition on the web, and sooner or later the truth will spread. Slowly, but it will spread. Many europeans already know this.