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Yeah, because 2 years in prison is a completely reasonable sentence for researching the background of police officers or politicians, i.e. looking into corrupti

Yeah, because 2 years in prison is a completely reasonable sentence for researching the background of police officers or politicians, i.e. looking into corruption. And 10 years of prison for being at a protest is hardly extreme as well. Or prison for wearing head protection when the police is shooting at you.

Mikeb85 13y ago
> Yeah, because 2 years in prison is a completely reasonable sentence for researching the background of police officers or politicians, i.e. looking into corruption. And 10 years of prison for being at a protest is hardly extreme as well. Or prison for wearing head protection when the police is shooting at you. You've basically proven my point. Step 1: Read the Ukrainian laws. Step 2: Read the laws of your own country. Step 3: Compare.
- IgorPartola 13y ago
  Please stop trolling. There are always places where laws are worse than somewhere else. Just because an unjust law exists somewhere else in the world does not make it less unjust.
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    Again, the laws in Ukraine were no harsher than what the US or Canada has. Not like we're a terrible place to live...
    - IgorPartola 13y ago
      Again, these laws are unjust everywhere. Also remember that Ukraine does not have "Supreme Court". If the government passes a law that is unjust (talking about the EU treating now), the people have a mandate to protest. That is the checks and balances system at play there. Making protests illegal there means that you remove one of the main checks.
      - Mikeb85 13y ago
        > Making protests illegal there means that you remove one of the main checks. Again, the laws didn't make protests illegal. Merely made some of the more unsavoury activities associate with riots illegal... Read primary sources, I can't stress that enough.
- brenschluss 13y ago
  So what? An unreasonable sentence is an unreasonable sentence. Your logic is, essentially, "Well everybody else is doing it, so it isn't that bad." Do you also agree with "Well, the NSA spies on its citizens; who cares if other countries spy on their citizens?"
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    > Do you also agree with "Well, the NSA spies on its citizens; who cares if other countries spy on their citizens?" Would you agree with the US engaging in regime change in say, Canada because we spy on our citizens?
    - brenschluss 13y ago
      Ah, the Tu quoque fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque "To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."
      - Mikeb85 13y ago
        Revolution always carries consequences. Inciting it over every 'unjust' law isn't necessarily worthwhile... It's not right to use Ukraine as a proxy battle without consisting the consequences for the Ukrainian people...

Mikeb85 13y ago

> Yeah, because 2 years in prison is a completely reasonable sentence for researching the background of police officers or politicians, i.e. looking into corruption. And 10 years of prison for being at a protest is hardly extreme as well. Or prison for wearing head protection when the police is shooting at you. You've basically proven my point. Step 1: Read the Ukrainian laws. Step 2: Read the laws of your own country. Step 3: Compare.

IgorPartola 13y ago
Please stop trolling. There are always places where laws are worse than somewhere else. Just because an unjust law exists somewhere else in the world does not make it less unjust.
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  Again, the laws in Ukraine were no harsher than what the US or Canada has. Not like we're a terrible place to live...
  - IgorPartola 13y ago
    Again, these laws are unjust everywhere. Also remember that Ukraine does not have "Supreme Court". If the government passes a law that is unjust (talking about the EU treating now), the people have a mandate to protest. That is the checks and balances system at play there. Making protests illegal there means that you remove one of the main checks.
    - Mikeb85 13y ago
      > Making protests illegal there means that you remove one of the main checks. Again, the laws didn't make protests illegal. Merely made some of the more unsavoury activities associate with riots illegal... Read primary sources, I can't stress that enough.
brenschluss 13y ago
So what? An unreasonable sentence is an unreasonable sentence. Your logic is, essentially, "Well everybody else is doing it, so it isn't that bad." Do you also agree with "Well, the NSA spies on its citizens; who cares if other countries spy on their citizens?"
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  > Do you also agree with "Well, the NSA spies on its citizens; who cares if other countries spy on their citizens?" Would you agree with the US engaging in regime change in say, Canada because we spy on our citizens?
  - brenschluss 13y ago
    Ah, the Tu quoque fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque "To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."
    - Mikeb85 13y ago
      Revolution always carries consequences. Inciting it over every 'unjust' law isn't necessarily worthwhile... It's not right to use Ukraine as a proxy battle without consisting the consequences for the Ukrainian people...