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I know this is why I use Wunderlist (Berlin), rather than RTM or Things or similar (USA) - I'm more comfortable under their local privacy obligations. (In reali

by frenger 13y ago

I know this is why I use Wunderlist (Berlin), rather than RTM or Things or similar (USA) - I'm more comfortable under their local privacy obligations. (In reality I don't know how much difference it makes?)

WA 13y ago
In reality it depends on at least two things: 1. Is their team capable of securing their environment and releasing code that isn't vulnerable to data theft attacks? 2. Do they also store all their customers' information in Germany or is it on some US-based servers?
- Argorak 13y ago
  6wunderkinder seems to use Amazon AWS: http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/6wunderkinder/ http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/6wunderkinder/
  - WA 13y ago
    Interesting. Amazon AWS in Europe is hosted all over Europe, e. g. Ireland etc. They should comply to EU privacy laws, but not necessarily to Germany's privacy laws. Difficult.
    - Argorak 13y ago
      Also, US companies have to comply with the patriot act even for data centers outside of the US. EC2 in Europe is hosted in Ireland only.
      - lmm 13y ago
        Like any other company operating in Europe, they're subject to punishment if they're violating EU privacy regulations. That US law obliges them to do so is no defence.
        Argorak 13y ago
        Sure, they are between a rock and a hard place in that respect. But that doesn't help you if you want to push your data somewhere out of access from the US. The company in question has to comply to the requests just as they do in the US, fine or not.
        lmm 13y ago
        Well it's very hard to make it physically impossible for the US to access your data. The most practical thing you can do is store your data somewhere with a solid, well enforced legal system where it would be illegal for anyone to transport it to the US, or for the US to access it. I mean, it's just as illegal for the US to access private data in Europe if the server it's on is owned by a US company or a European one. So it's not like AWS is especially vulnerable.
    - sleepyhead 13y ago
      > Amazon AWS in Europe is hosted all over Europe, e. g. Ireland etc No, AWS is only in Ireland. Except for Cloudfront which is in most countries but that isn't really relevant considering the data stored there.
crucialfelix 13y ago
> Things Cultured Code are in Stuttgart
- frenger 13y ago
  Cool, I didn't know that

by frenger 13y ago

WA 13y ago

In reality it depends on at least two things: 1. Is their team capable of securing their environment and releasing code that isn't vulnerable to data theft attacks? 2. Do they also store all their customers' information in Germany or is it on some US-based servers?

Argorak 13y ago
6wunderkinder seems to use Amazon AWS: http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/6wunderkinder/ http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/6wunderkinder/
- WA 13y ago
  Interesting. Amazon AWS in Europe is hosted all over Europe, e. g. Ireland etc. They should comply to EU privacy laws, but not necessarily to Germany's privacy laws. Difficult.
  - Argorak 13y ago
    Also, US companies have to comply with the patriot act even for data centers outside of the US. EC2 in Europe is hosted in Ireland only.
    - lmm 13y ago
      Like any other company operating in Europe, they're subject to punishment if they're violating EU privacy regulations. That US law obliges them to do so is no defence.
      - Argorak 13y ago
        Sure, they are between a rock and a hard place in that respect. But that doesn't help you if you want to push your data somewhere out of access from the US. The company in question has to comply to the requests just as they do in the US, fine or not.
        lmm 13y ago
        Well it's very hard to make it physically impossible for the US to access your data. The most practical thing you can do is store your data somewhere with a solid, well enforced legal system where it would be illegal for anyone to transport it to the US, or for the US to access it. I mean, it's just as illegal for the US to access private data in Europe if the server it's on is owned by a US company or a European one. So it's not like AWS is especially vulnerable.
  - sleepyhead 13y ago
    > Amazon AWS in Europe is hosted all over Europe, e. g. Ireland etc No, AWS is only in Ireland. Except for Cloudfront which is in most countries but that isn't really relevant considering the data stored there.

crucialfelix 13y ago

> Things Cultured Code are in Stuttgart

frenger 13y ago
Cool, I didn't know that