I agree with both of you that desktop Linux is kinda an obnoxious scene right now, but that is mostly because of the horrid things Ubuntu does to the desktop an

I agree with both of you that desktop Linux is kinda an obnoxious scene right now, but that is mostly because of the horrid things Ubuntu does to the desktop and the fact that other distros either 1. focus so much on stability that packages are left way out of date for a developer/sysadmin or 2. are so far on the edge like Arch that things break all the time. Or like Ubuntu things break all the time just because it's Ubuntu. I use openSUSE, and I find it strikes a nice balance between stability and being up to date, as well as having the openSUSE build service allows me to easily get up to date packages for whatever software or library I may be using at the moment. Desktop Linux is a shit storm right now, but that shit storm I think blinds people from the distros who just do things right and make a stable and easy to use system, don't have the crazy stupid arguments of something like Debian with their Upstart vs systemd debate, and who make a system for professionals who just want to get shit done.