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Pardon? For what? Thanks but no thanks.
by badclient 13y ago
Pardon? For what? Thanks but no thanks.
- a8da6b0c91d 13y agoBuggery. It's been illegal many places for a very long time because it spreads disease. The sodomy laws were effectively repealed and we got AIDS. It was not a coincidence.
- skinnycow 13y agoAhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha. This is so amusingly silly and ignorant. No wonder the commentor's other posts are nearly full scale denial of racism and sexism. Yep. HIV has been waiting around for centuries of humans screwing each other (m/f, f/f, m/m, m/m/f/f/x/y/z) and they just waited until the British Empire came along, passed buggary laws, and then repealed them to take off. I wish I had you peoples' power of self delusion. I could just convince myself of all sorts of things that just fit my world view instead of reality.
- lostlogin 13y agoDo you really think the law made that much difference? Why not just pass a law requiring condom use. Would that make you happy?
- groovy2shoes 13y agoSexual intercourse of any kind spreads disease. AIDS didn't become an epidemic because of anal intercourse. It's pretty clear that AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases spread just as well from almost any kind sexual activity, and many of them -- including AIDS -- spread from any transfer of bodily fluids at all. Going further, I'd wager that any form of interpersonal contact, even non-sexual, is as likely to spread some form of disease. Why not enact a law which requires any person to don a hazmat suit before venturing into public space? Or better yet, a law which forbids any person from entering public space?
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- a8da6b0c91d 13y agoThey used to lock you up for adultery, too, right up to the 60s. Disease was a consideration. So it's not just a matter of targeting gays. > AIDS didn't become an epidemic because of anal intercourse Yes it did. This is not remotely controversial. Aids and many other STDs are spread chiefly by buggery. This is why the red cross does not want blood donations from homosexuals.
- WA 13y agoRed cross (in the US) doesn't want blood donations from people who lived in Europe for long enough. Because they have HIV? No. You got something wrong with correlation and causation there in several ways.
- pandaman 13y agohttp://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts... FDA is pretty clear on why they don't want blood donations from men who had sex with other men.
- auctiontheory 13y agoWhat they say may seem clear, and yet not reflect what they really believe. I give blood every two months. As I recall the questionnaire, you can do almost anything imaginable (sex with prostitutes, accidental needle stick, receiving blood transfusion, etc.) and get a one year deferral. But if you are a man who had oral sex with a man one time twenty years ago, that's a permanent "deferral." No science behind this.
- pandaman 13y agoDid you read their explanation at all? A history of male-to-male sex is associated with an increased risk for exposure to and transmission of certain infectious diseases, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Men who have had sex with other men represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, MSM accounted for at least 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S. and an estimated 77% of diagnosed HIV infections among males were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Looks like science, namely statistics and medicine. If 61% of new HIV infections are coming from MSM then it's higher chances than then other criteria you've listed combined (i.e. non-MSM new HIV infections are only 39%, which is much less than 61%).
- fnbr 13y agoI believe that the above comment is misguided on a number of levels, especially the (assumed) bigoted nature of the writer, but first, note that in New York, one of the major American centers of the HIV/AIDS crisis (with the other being San Francisco), sodomy laws were only repealed by court order in 1980 [1], while AIDS was first clinically observed in America in 1981 [2]. Second, it is widely considered that the spread of HIV (which causes AIDS) was a result of (heterosexual) prostitution. If you look at [2], we see that it was spread extensively by African prostitutes from rural Congo, an almost uniquely heterosexual phenomenon. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Onofre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Onofre [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#History
- a8da6b0c91d 13y agoLOL, 1980 repeal. The Stonewall riots were in NYC in 1969 and after that the cops stopped busting up gay hookup spots. That's why NYC was a center for AIDS. I'm not saying gay bars should be illegal, but denying the causality is wishful thinking. Watch "Midnight Cowboy" (1969) and "Cruising" (1980) to get a glimpse into how AIDS came to be.
- mydpy 13y agoHate for the sake of hate? You've clearly got issues.
- camus2 13y agoOne would hope in a place like HN one would not find people as bigoted as you are. You must be a very sad person. Lack of sexed allows spreading of HIV, not homosexuality.
- rmc 13y agoUnprotected heterosexual sex is considerably more dangerous than male-male sex. It kills considerable more people. Pregnancy has historically been very dangerous, and even now is not without serious health risks.
- wreegab 13y agoI wondered. The only way I read this "pardon" is: "We pardon you of having forced us to persecute you."
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- tekkanphan 13y agothey should give an apology