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Gotta love “TECHIES: Your World Is Not Welcome Here” I find it hard to sympathize with a bunch of lazy thugs who do nothing to improve their situation. Enginee

Gotta love “TECHIES: Your World Is Not Welcome Here” I find it hard to sympathize with a bunch of lazy thugs who do nothing to improve their situation. Engineering and white collar jobs in general have always paid well. Industries who are in demand even more so, and for just reason. Did similar protests happen in Detroit 50 years ago during the auto boom? Did unskilled rubes that do nothing all day put up banners saying "Auto boys not welcome"? This is absurd. Take control of your own damn life. Educate yourself and learn relevant skills. The resources are out there and more accessible than ever. Spend a few good hours in your public library every day for a year and walk out of there a changed person with valuable skills to offer.

yarou 13y ago
These kids never worked a day in their life, though. Their parents provided them with all the tools to succeed, but they still managed to fuck it up. They have no desire to improve themselves, they simply want to continue to leech off of whatever person will tolerate them the longest. Sickening.
- null_ptr 13y ago
  Exactly. They want a free lunch off the hard work of others. Otherwise they would have been on their way to work this morning, not vandalizing a bus.
  - gohrt 13y ago
    Please don't marginalized the un/underemployed. There is unemployment in the US, and not everyone can or should be an entrepeneur. (Heck, plenty of us wealthy tech workers would not succeed as entrepeneurs). The noblesse oblige is to demonstrate leadership by creating opportunities for honest workers. Edit for clarity: null_ptr implied that the alternative to this behavior is "going to work". Other possibilities are "try to find work", or "be stuck because there is no work avaialable".
    - null_ptr 13y ago
      No sympathy for thugs and vandals. People who smash bus windows Friday morning have no place in civilized society. This has nothing to do with their employment situation. Why don't they go to the public library and learn some relevant skills? Learning opportunities that actually lead to well paid jobs are more accessible than ever. If you have the time to smash a bus window you have the time to learn skills that will uplift your spirit and place in this world.
    - yarou 13y ago
      The guy (or gal) above you is not marginalizing unemployment. They are trivializing the new leisure class as talked about by Thorstein Veblen. Except instead of conspicuous consumption, they are engaging in poverty tourism. Don't be fooled by these folks, they have well funded trust funds and have never worked a day in their life. Rather than buying a new car to inspire their neighbor's envy, they are trying to build credibility around their "worldliness". However, they are doing very little to actively improve the situation of those people actually struggling and disenfranchised.
    - baddox 13y ago
      Do you think that protesting a Google bus is a better usage of time for the unemployed than, say, improving one's marketable skills are applying for jobs?
  - vacri 13y ago
    As we all know, all jobs begin at 8 and end at 5, there are no other wage-earning options available.
- vdaniuk 13y ago
  That is the most unsubstantiated claim I've seen in a comment in this thread. Pure hate and vitriol. Sickening. And mind you I don't support these protests and the general animosity towards the techies.
- r00fus 13y ago
  Nice broad sweeping generalizations. Do you have proof all these protestors are trust-fund babies? Otherwise, your comment is out of line. Provide light, not heat.
bluedino 13y ago
>> Did unskilled rubes that do nothing all day put up banners saying "Auto boys not welcome"? 'Auto boys' are/were unskilled rubes. Whites weren't holding up signs saying 'blacks not welcome'. They just left. It was 50 years ago, after all. edit: They were, up to a point.
- bcoates 13y ago
  http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town.html http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town... The racial distribution of the US is neither an accident or the result of voluntary actions by individuals.
- greenyoda 13y ago
  "'Auto boys' are/were unskilled rubes." You need a lot more skill to work in an auto plant than you need for serving up fast food. 50 years ago, auto production wasn't nearly as automated as it is today, so the guys on the assembly lines needed to know how to do welding and other skilled trades. Robots do a lot more of that stuff today.
- heurist 13y ago
  Some more information on what happened in Detroit during the great migration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Race_Riot_(1943) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Race_Riot_(1943) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot
unclebucknasty 13y ago
I wouldn't defend these guys in particular, but I will say that things were vastly different in Detroit (and the U.S. in general) 50 years ago. Those unskilled people could much more easily become skilled to the point that they landed solidly in the middle class. In general, there was much more opportunity to pull one's self up by the bootstraps, more even income distribution, and true mechanisms that allowed a rising tide to lift all boats.
- unclebucknasty 13y ago
  Always love the downvotes without debate.
negamax 13y ago
My thoughts on this are, techies are generally nice and intelligent people. Last thing they will do is to harm someone or get to a physical fight. Unionised autoworkers wouldn't be a soft target. I really hope that this is a one off incident and not beginning of some demonifying of tech sector. Incidences like this could be shocking to some people and may change their perception about poor and helpless. In this thread itself, there are so many comments with words like leeches and useless thrown in.
- null_ptr 13y ago
  Being a soft and easy target has to be part of it. It stands to reason that people who smash bus windows are the same people who used to beat up nerds at school when they were children. Some people set themselves up for a life of shit from the get go and never bother to change course.
  - negamax 13y ago
    I fully agree with you. But I think grown up nerds are far more successful and powerful than their highschool bullies counterparts. I am more afraid of good people turning into vendetta seekers because of this (your comment kind of resonates to what I am foreseeing as plausible outcome).
    - null_ptr 13y ago
      What I meant was that some people clearly never grow up past highschool. Instead of taking charge of their own lives, they choose to engage in childish games like bullying and name calling. They're still waiting for the teacher to bail them out and advance them to the next grade instead of leaving them behind until they put in the work necessary to pass the class. But there's no teacher waiting on you when you're in your 20s - the assumption is that you've grown up by now.
  - SerpentJoe 13y ago
    I'm angry too, but that does not stand to reason.

yarou 13y ago

These kids never worked a day in their life, though. Their parents provided them with all the tools to succeed, but they still managed to fuck it up. They have no desire to improve themselves, they simply want to continue to leech off of whatever person will tolerate them the longest. Sickening.

null_ptr 13y ago
Exactly. They want a free lunch off the hard work of others. Otherwise they would have been on their way to work this morning, not vandalizing a bus.
- gohrt 13y ago
  Please don't marginalized the un/underemployed. There is unemployment in the US, and not everyone can or should be an entrepeneur. (Heck, plenty of us wealthy tech workers would not succeed as entrepeneurs). The noblesse oblige is to demonstrate leadership by creating opportunities for honest workers. Edit for clarity: null_ptr implied that the alternative to this behavior is "going to work". Other possibilities are "try to find work", or "be stuck because there is no work avaialable".
  - null_ptr 13y ago
    No sympathy for thugs and vandals. People who smash bus windows Friday morning have no place in civilized society. This has nothing to do with their employment situation. Why don't they go to the public library and learn some relevant skills? Learning opportunities that actually lead to well paid jobs are more accessible than ever. If you have the time to smash a bus window you have the time to learn skills that will uplift your spirit and place in this world.
  - yarou 13y ago
    The guy (or gal) above you is not marginalizing unemployment. They are trivializing the new leisure class as talked about by Thorstein Veblen. Except instead of conspicuous consumption, they are engaging in poverty tourism. Don't be fooled by these folks, they have well funded trust funds and have never worked a day in their life. Rather than buying a new car to inspire their neighbor's envy, they are trying to build credibility around their "worldliness". However, they are doing very little to actively improve the situation of those people actually struggling and disenfranchised.
  - baddox 13y ago
    Do you think that protesting a Google bus is a better usage of time for the unemployed than, say, improving one's marketable skills are applying for jobs?
- vacri 13y ago
  As we all know, all jobs begin at 8 and end at 5, there are no other wage-earning options available.
vdaniuk 13y ago
That is the most unsubstantiated claim I've seen in a comment in this thread. Pure hate and vitriol. Sickening. And mind you I don't support these protests and the general animosity towards the techies.
r00fus 13y ago
Nice broad sweeping generalizations. Do you have proof all these protestors are trust-fund babies? Otherwise, your comment is out of line. Provide light, not heat.

bluedino 13y ago

>> Did unskilled rubes that do nothing all day put up banners saying "Auto boys not welcome"? 'Auto boys' are/were unskilled rubes. Whites weren't holding up signs saying 'blacks not welcome'. They just left. It was 50 years ago, after all. edit: They were, up to a point.

bcoates 13y ago
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town.html http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town... The racial distribution of the US is neither an accident or the result of voluntary actions by individuals.
greenyoda 13y ago
"'Auto boys' are/were unskilled rubes." You need a lot more skill to work in an auto plant than you need for serving up fast food. 50 years ago, auto production wasn't nearly as automated as it is today, so the guys on the assembly lines needed to know how to do welding and other skilled trades. Robots do a lot more of that stuff today.
heurist 13y ago
Some more information on what happened in Detroit during the great migration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Race_Riot_(1943) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Race_Riot_(1943) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot

unclebucknasty 13y ago

I wouldn't defend these guys in particular, but I will say that things were vastly different in Detroit (and the U.S. in general) 50 years ago. Those unskilled people could much more easily become skilled to the point that they landed solidly in the middle class. In general, there was much more opportunity to pull one's self up by the bootstraps, more even income distribution, and true mechanisms that allowed a rising tide to lift all boats.

unclebucknasty 13y ago
Always love the downvotes without debate.

negamax 13y ago

My thoughts on this are, techies are generally nice and intelligent people. Last thing they will do is to harm someone or get to a physical fight. Unionised autoworkers wouldn't be a soft target. I really hope that this is a one off incident and not beginning of some demonifying of tech sector. Incidences like this could be shocking to some people and may change their perception about poor and helpless. In this thread itself, there are so many comments with words like leeches and useless thrown in.

null_ptr 13y ago
Being a soft and easy target has to be part of it. It stands to reason that people who smash bus windows are the same people who used to beat up nerds at school when they were children. Some people set themselves up for a life of shit from the get go and never bother to change course.
- negamax 13y ago
  I fully agree with you. But I think grown up nerds are far more successful and powerful than their highschool bullies counterparts. I am more afraid of good people turning into vendetta seekers because of this (your comment kind of resonates to what I am foreseeing as plausible outcome).
  - null_ptr 13y ago
    What I meant was that some people clearly never grow up past highschool. Instead of taking charge of their own lives, they choose to engage in childish games like bullying and name calling. They're still waiting for the teacher to bail them out and advance them to the next grade instead of leaving them behind until they put in the work necessary to pass the class. But there's no teacher waiting on you when you're in your 20s - the assumption is that you've grown up by now.
- SerpentJoe 13y ago
  I'm angry too, but that does not stand to reason.