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What is all of the piping and canals for? couldn't this just be built right next to the water way?

wiredfool 13y ago
Well, 4 bar is about 133 feet of head. I'm guessing that he doesn't have a 100 foot waterfall on his property, he has a stream that loses 100 feet of elevation over some large distance.
maxerickson 13y ago
For pressure. If you put a 4 foot dam up and block the stream, you have 4 feet of water delivering pressure. If you use a pipe, you can have lots of feet of water delivering pressure (1 bar is about 33 feet of water, so this installation is at least 60 feet of water delivering pressure).
walshemj 13y ago
Basically In hydro power to generate power you can go for a small amount of water falling a long distance or a large amount of water falling a small distance Its a classic high head low flow pelton wheel installation.
- jaggederest 13y ago
  It's a turgo - mid head mid flow, actually. He wouldn't need such large pipe for a penstock if he was using a pelton wheel, but he also doesn't have the head to drive a pelton efficiently - the more the better for one of those. I've seen systems that put 2kw of energy through 2" pipe! 350+ feet of vertical head will do that.
  - walshemj 13y ago
    ah cool most of my knowledge of hydro is a from the large scale stuff hadn't heard of a turgo before - it seems to be a variation on pelton tho.
    - jaggederest 13y ago
      Yeah it's basically a modification of a pelton wheel, sort of adapted for higher flow and lower pressure. Technically a turgo wheel IS a pelton wheel, but they serve sort of separate purposes.
tocomment 13y ago
Thanks for all the answers? So I'm wondering couldn't we do a lot more hydroelectric in the US by running pipes alongside rivers? Why do large hydro electric projects always use dams? It seems like a dam wastes a ton of land creating a lake?
- maxerickson 13y ago
  The reservoir provides an opportunity to even out the energy production (and helps with flood prevention and irrigation, two big motivators of dam building). The other factor is that the power achieved by the station will roughly go with the volume of water and head. So if you want a lot of power you end up needing huge pipes.
  - Intermernet 13y ago
    There are probably better examples, but I love the Australian Snowy Mountains Hydro Scheme as an example of huge pipes used for penstock. http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4061/4391493249_8332c6f014_o.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4061/4391493249_8332c6f014_o.j...

Well, 4 bar is about 133 feet of head. I'm guessing that he doesn't have a 100 foot waterfall on his property, he has a stream that loses 100 feet of elevation over some large distance.

maxerickson 13y ago

For pressure. If you put a 4 foot dam up and block the stream, you have 4 feet of water delivering pressure. If you use a pipe, you can have lots of feet of water delivering pressure (1 bar is about 33 feet of water, so this installation is at least 60 feet of water delivering pressure).

walshemj 13y ago

Basically In hydro power to generate power you can go for a small amount of water falling a long distance or a large amount of water falling a small distance Its a classic high head low flow pelton wheel installation.

jaggederest 13y ago
It's a turgo - mid head mid flow, actually. He wouldn't need such large pipe for a penstock if he was using a pelton wheel, but he also doesn't have the head to drive a pelton efficiently - the more the better for one of those. I've seen systems that put 2kw of energy through 2" pipe! 350+ feet of vertical head will do that.
- walshemj 13y ago
  ah cool most of my knowledge of hydro is a from the large scale stuff hadn't heard of a turgo before - it seems to be a variation on pelton tho.
  - jaggederest 13y ago
    Yeah it's basically a modification of a pelton wheel, sort of adapted for higher flow and lower pressure. Technically a turgo wheel IS a pelton wheel, but they serve sort of separate purposes.

tocomment 13y ago

Thanks for all the answers? So I'm wondering couldn't we do a lot more hydroelectric in the US by running pipes alongside rivers? Why do large hydro electric projects always use dams? It seems like a dam wastes a ton of land creating a lake?

maxerickson 13y ago
The reservoir provides an opportunity to even out the energy production (and helps with flood prevention and irrigation, two big motivators of dam building). The other factor is that the power achieved by the station will roughly go with the volume of water and head. So if you want a lot of power you end up needing huge pipes.
- Intermernet 13y ago
  There are probably better examples, but I love the Australian Snowy Mountains Hydro Scheme as an example of huge pipes used for penstock. http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4061/4391493249_8332c6f014_o.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4061/4391493249_8332c6f014_o.j...