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That you would put single mothers on welfare in a group with drug dealers and muggers, and claim that what this guy does is a lot of work, merits appreciation,

That you would put single mothers on welfare in a group with drug dealers and muggers, and claim that what this guy does is a lot of work, merits appreciation, and makes him better, is disgusting. I'm going to stop there because I don't want to regret what I'd say if I didn't.

ahomescu1 13y ago
> That you would put single mothers on welfare in a group with drug dealers and muggers Single mothers are, in many cases, that way because of making bad life choices. When you're poor and in a bad relationship (or in some cases not even in a relationship), kids aren't such a good idea (or at least that's how it seems to me). No one forces them to have kids (unless they've been raped, in which case I'm more sympathetic to them; how often is that the case?)
- mrbrowning 13y ago
  > Single mothers are, in many cases, that way because of making bad life choices. I'd be very interested to see a citation for this. You seem to be very knowledgeable on the topic, could you provide one?
  - ahomescu1 13y ago
    A citation for what, exactly? That they shouldn't have kids when poor, or that they aren't physically forced to have kids? The former seems like common sense, but I could try and find a citation for the latter (that very few pregnancies are caused by rapes). Could you give some good examples of why a woman would have kids then wind up on welfare? IMHO the only 2 reasonable examples are raped women and widows.
    - rhizome 13y ago
      Why do people make a lot of money when they don't want to pay taxes?
    - mrbrowning 13y ago
      Human reproduction doesn't occur asexually, but you wouldn't know that from reading your comment. Why does the responsibility for this decision rest entirely upon the mother in your conception?
- rosser 13y ago
  How about girls and young women in places where there's no sex education, and no access to contraception or abortion? Is that her fault, too? Maybe people being stuck in shitty situations is a consequence of things beyond their control more often than your willingness to apportion blame is willing to admit.
- true_religion 13y ago
  Just want to point out... that from a completely conservative point of view, having single mothers on welfare is better than the alternatives. One possible alternative is to deny them welfare, thus endangering the health of the children they care for, thus forcing the state to take the children into custody. Financially that puts a burden on the state that now has to employ someone to take care of the children, whereas it was getting that for 'free' via the mother. Also, being a better person should be a moral judgment not a judgement on their financial state.
- earbitscom 13y ago
  You really have no idea what you're talking about. Condoms break. Relationships end. Men abandon their children. Husbands become alcoholics and start hitting people. A million things can lead to a woman being single with child, and needing public assistance. That's what it's there for. Raising a child in these circumstances is one of the hardest things a person can do. If you think running hackathons makes someone better than a woman raising a child alone, you have a seriously backward set of priorities.

ahomescu1 13y ago

> That you would put single mothers on welfare in a group with drug dealers and muggers Single mothers are, in many cases, that way because of making bad life choices. When you're poor and in a bad relationship (or in some cases not even in a relationship), kids aren't such a good idea (or at least that's how it seems to me). No one forces them to have kids (unless they've been raped, in which case I'm more sympathetic to them; how often is that the case?)

mrbrowning 13y ago
> Single mothers are, in many cases, that way because of making bad life choices. I'd be very interested to see a citation for this. You seem to be very knowledgeable on the topic, could you provide one?
- ahomescu1 13y ago
  A citation for what, exactly? That they shouldn't have kids when poor, or that they aren't physically forced to have kids? The former seems like common sense, but I could try and find a citation for the latter (that very few pregnancies are caused by rapes). Could you give some good examples of why a woman would have kids then wind up on welfare? IMHO the only 2 reasonable examples are raped women and widows.
  - rhizome 13y ago
    Why do people make a lot of money when they don't want to pay taxes?
  - mrbrowning 13y ago
    Human reproduction doesn't occur asexually, but you wouldn't know that from reading your comment. Why does the responsibility for this decision rest entirely upon the mother in your conception?
rosser 13y ago
How about girls and young women in places where there's no sex education, and no access to contraception or abortion? Is that her fault, too? Maybe people being stuck in shitty situations is a consequence of things beyond their control more often than your willingness to apportion blame is willing to admit.
true_religion 13y ago
Just want to point out... that from a completely conservative point of view, having single mothers on welfare is better than the alternatives. One possible alternative is to deny them welfare, thus endangering the health of the children they care for, thus forcing the state to take the children into custody. Financially that puts a burden on the state that now has to employ someone to take care of the children, whereas it was getting that for 'free' via the mother. Also, being a better person should be a moral judgment not a judgement on their financial state.
earbitscom 13y ago
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Condoms break. Relationships end. Men abandon their children. Husbands become alcoholics and start hitting people. A million things can lead to a woman being single with child, and needing public assistance. That's what it's there for. Raising a child in these circumstances is one of the hardest things a person can do. If you think running hackathons makes someone better than a woman raising a child alone, you have a seriously backward set of priorities.