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179 points by codez 13y ago

meowface 13y ago
I like it. Minimalist, but all the required features for a good task management app.
- codez 13y ago
  1 point by codez 9 minutes ago | link | edit | delete Thanks very much for the feedback! It's really appreciated. Any suggestions or the likes I am more than happy to take on board. I am just trying to get some exposure so I can see if it will gather some interest. Thanks again.
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bbx 13y ago
Very neat. I'm the kind of person who likes having everything laid out before him, i.e. I don't like organization that relies too much on depth. For example, I usually prefer prefixing my file names rather than splitting them into subfolders. It's a version 0.0.1, so here's my 2 cents: the only thing that really bothers me is the menu. The whole UI is quick and responsive, but this menu opens very slowly. The thing is, I don't think you actually need it. Why hide tools that users will probably interact with a lot? There's so much space in the header, left to the logo. Just put the buttons there and forget about the menu. You're not the only one I see making this "mistake": not appropriately using the space available, especially when there are only a few elements to show. The greatest misuse I see is dropdowns [1]. On a personal level, I hate them (because, like I said, I prefer having all my options available before my eyes). But on a more general level, dropdowns are often used for a few items only, and remove any sense of hierarchy. They're just hidden lists of frequently-used options, put on the same level of importance. To give an example related to your app: "add item" is on the same level as "email". But the former is both frequently used and non-penalizing (you can undo it easily), whereas the latter is rarely used and makes you leave the app, which might make the user lose some valuable data. [1]: http://jgthms.com/dont-use-dropdowns-for-a-few-items-only.html http://jgthms.com/dont-use-dropdowns-for-a-few-items-only.ht...
- codez 13y ago
  Hey bbx. Thanks very much for the feedback. Yeah the menu is a strange one, because I wasn't sure whether people would like something tucked away or something they could see but then having just icons for buttons, do you think that would communicate enough? or is it worth it for people to just have that short learning curve for what the icons do? This was my first prototype; http://jsfiddle.net/WtGYx/2/ http://jsfiddle.net/WtGYx/2/ I had icons in the header for that one. It's really great to have people to discuss this with because obviously UX is important as the goal is to make it as simple and intuitive as possible. I have to kinda agree on the dropdowns front ha. Thanks again, really appreciated.
  - bbx 13y ago
    Well, I think the solution is to NOT have something tucked away (like the current menu). You have space in the header, use it! Especially for buttons that will be frequently used. And don't use icons only. Users went mad when GMail replace text-buttons with icon-buttons. [1] Just use text! Or use text with icons, but not icons only. [1]: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2473038?hl=en&ctx=mail https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2473038?hl=en&ctx=mai...
    - codez 13y ago
      Ahh ok that's really good to know, I'll take a read of that article there. How about flat buttons? Your opinion on them? Thanks again by the way, this is really helpful!
Taurenking 13y ago
Hey nice project you got there!(if you're the developer) At first it wasn't really working actually(I guess it was the config/menu thing), but after few reloads everything went smooth... This is Dope! Starred :)
- codez 13y ago
  Thankyou very much, it's in it's infant stages, I'm just seeing if there is any interest in it and getting some feedback. I'm more than happy to take on suggestions etc. Thanks again!
- codez 13y ago
  I'm actually why it didn't start up straight away for you. Do you mind me asking which browser you were using? I am currently only really playing with it in firefox and chrome but I think I have seen where you load the page and nothing happens but when you refresh it arrives so to speak ha.
  - damon_c 13y ago
    I had that same issue with Safari on Mac. One refresh did the trick.
    - codez 13y ago
      Yeah this is strange, I am going to look into this and maybe if the intro modal disappears then this bug may disappear too hopefully. Thanks again for your feedback, it's much appreciated!
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quarterto 13y ago
Please don't take the this the wrong way, usability is hard and hey, you actually built something, which can be a goal in and of itself, but: please go read a book on usability. Designed for Use by Lukas Mathis [1] is a great introduction. The first few things that stood out for me: • It's my first time seeing the page, I want to know what it is. I definitely don't want to load a config. The default config should be the first thing the user sees, as it does a reasonable job of explaining the concepts. • The button for adding a card is tiny and far away for where the cards get added. • The menu being hidden by default means its items are not at all discoverable. It could still be collapsible, but open by default if you want users to actually use it. • Pressing ESC in the initial modal ends up in an irreversibly (without refresh) broken state. • The only way to save appears to be exporting a JSON file. You should look into LocalStorage or IndexedDB as a way to autosave so the user doesn't lose their content by inadvertently closing the tab, navigating or refreshing. • Deleting a column is instant and irreversible. You should have confirmation, or, even better, undo. I'm guessing you've built this to fulfil a personal niche, so kudos for getting it built. God knows I never finish anything I build for myself. [1] http://pragprog.com/book/lmuse/designed-for-use http://pragprog.com/book/lmuse/designed-for-use (or if you google hard enough there are ahem totally legit free PDFs)
- zupa-hu 13y ago
  thx for the book advice :)
- codez 13y ago
  Don't worry I won't take it the wrong way. I am looking for criticism, suggestions and feedback. This was a personal project and a tool I kinda build for myself but then people showed some interest in it and made little suggestions here and there but it has never had a wider audience which is why it's here. I will certainly look into that book for an xmas gift for myself :) 1. if I load the default config as standard, do you think that that is enough? or should there be some modal still introducing it in some way? 2. how would you tackle this? I have it in the menu as well but I wanted the ability to add a card to a particular column without using dropdowns etc. hence the icon on the column. 3. another user has suggested scrapping the menu altogether and I think this is something I will do and move to icons in the header. 4.Wow, thanks for pointing that out. This may be a bug with twitter bootstrap then as I am using their modal as I didn't want to spend time writing my own for a first iteration. 5.Cool, I will take a look at them, I haven't been too sure on save options. The initial idea was that developers wanted to save something they could then send to a PM who could load the same thing make changes and maybe send back. 6. There is a confirmation if the column is not empty, you should be asked if you wish to do so and that all cards will be lost. Yeah it was built as a personal thing, I was using post it notes a lot and then I changed desk and had no post it notes or I would lost a post it with a load of things on, simple things like hex colors for some css or ring this person and it kinda went from there. I really appreciate the feedback so thank you very much for your time to give me it and thanks for the link to the book to, I will certainly look at checking that out. Thanks again!
onion2k 13y ago
Serialising the config json object to localStorage and pulling it back out again on a reload would be useful.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey onion2k, Thanks very much for the feedback. I will look into using localStorage, this has also been mentioned in another comment. Have you experience with this yourself? I'll have a google around, are there any drawback with that approach you can think of? Thanks again for the feedback, it's really appreciated!
  - onion2k 13y ago
    Yes, I've used localStorage. It's supported well across all the main browsers, it's reasonably quick, and it'll store more than enough data for your app. It's really just a case of doing (assuming you include JSON2.js); var ls = window.localStorage; var config = JSON.parse(ls.getItem('config')); //load the config ls.setItem('config', JSON.stringify(config)); //save the config That's pretty much it. You'll need to protect against the config not being there, but that's just a matter of using a default empty object if config is null.
    - codez 13y ago
      Thanks a lot for this, it's really helpful to get an idea of how this would be used. How would you suggest this is used then? People have the option to save a file or to localStorage? Or should it just do it in the background without people knowing or maybe it's set as a config option? You opinion on this is really appreciated so thanks again!
      - onion2k 13y ago
        In a few things I've made that use it I do it in the background so state is maintained between sessions (load the data during initialisation, save it on any state change). It's important to inform the user that it's storing things locally, and include a UI element that allows the user to clear all the data easily, and possibly let users switch storage off (for shared computers). I use it in mobile things so that's not really a problem for me.
jalada 13y ago
Sometimes the page loads just blank, with no modal. Can't get it to do it now but it happened on my first load.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey jalada, Yeah I had this issue once or twice when developing it but I made the assumption that maybe grunt-watch wasn't catching up or something but someone else has said the same thing. Do you mind me asking which browser you are using? I developed it using firefox and chrome. Another user has suggested maybe (if my interpretation is correct) getting rid of the intro modal completely which would solve this problem. I really appreciate the feedback so thank you for commenting.
  - jalada 13y ago
    I was using Firefox when it happened :) Good work!
    - codez 13y ago
      Thanks for that. I am certainly going to see if I can tackle that issue. Thanks again :)
      - gavinpc 13y ago
        The screen is also blank (forever) if you have cookies blocked. This is so common that I guess very few people whitelist cookies. Still, I thought you might want to know.
        codez 13y ago
        hey gavinpc Thanks for the heads up! will certainly keep that in mind.
- kps 13y ago
  Same for me, using Firefox 26, on the first few loads, but thereafter it seems to work consistently. In Safari 5.0.5, dragging doesn't work.
Kiro 13y ago
So basically it's a lightweight version of Trello? Seems great anyway and I will probably try it out for my next project.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey Kiro, Thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated. Ah yes trello! I was having trouble remembering that name. It's been a couple of years since I briefly used that. Has it always required a sign in off the top of your head? My goal wasn't a lightweight trello but to be compared to is a great compliment so thank you very much and many thanks for the feedback. If you do try out tyto, please let me know how it goes for you, I'd be very happy to take on board any suggestions or feedback you have from using it. Thanks again!
bukka 13y ago
How would this compete with Trello?
- codez 13y ago
  Hey bukka, That's not the intention with tyto. tyto has come out of a common problem with managing and organising things for me personally and colleagues past and present, and my wanting to see if I could implement my own tool for tackling that issue. The codebase is meant to be easy to read so that people can easily take it away and make it their own.
zytek 13y ago
Does now work on Firefox 19 (yeah, I know..). The popup does not display. Only blank board.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey zytek, Thanks for the feedback! Hmm have you tried refreshing the page? This does seem to be an issue currently. Otherwise maybe there is an issue with requireJS or bootstrap modal. Thanks again for the feedback!
sekasi 13y ago
Very nice. As mentioned below, it shouts for a UX/ExD review, but I'm impressed nonetheless.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey sekasi, Thank you very much for the feedback! It's in it's infant stage and I am certainly embracing the UX comments, they are very appreciated. Plenty for me to make changes to and put back out there. So, any suggestions are very welcome. Thanks again for the feedback!
bromagosa 13y ago
I like it, my local Trello! :) Just one small suggestion, it'd be nice if columns were draggable as well.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey bromagosa! I do take a massive compliment when people are mentioning Trello :) Using it locally allows you to do whatever you want with it too! ... columns draggable... Now why didn't I think of that?! That's a really good idea, thanks! I can certainly look into that as a feature to add, that would be pretty cool. I would probably need to play around with that a bit as I can see there certainly being some behavioural issues when implementing that but I'd imagine it to certainly be doable. Thanks again for the feedback! it's really appreciated.
sidcool 13y ago
Looks like Trello.
- codez 13y ago
  Hey sidcool, Thanks for the feedback. That isn't the intention with tyto but people do seem to be bringing up trello. Thanks again!
  - sidcool 13y ago
    I wasn't trying to sound condescending. It's a very well made application. Thanks for your efforts!
    - codez 13y ago
      Oh no sorry, I didn't take it that way at all so no worries. Thanks again for your feedback, it's really appreciated. Feedback for tyto has been great.
darklegend 13y ago
Nice little project. I'm not quite sure if it's a bug or if I just can't figure out how it works correctly: Drag and Drop of entries. Whenever i drag something it seems to be push to the bottom. I think it would be better if I could freely rearrange the items. E.g. from position 2 to position 4. Keep the good work :-)
- codez 13y ago
  hey darklegend! Thanks very much for the feedback, it's really appreciated. Hmm yeah that would seem to be the ideal behaviour for sure. I just gave it a go and it seems you can rearrange downwards but not upwards and also not as you would wish. So if you drag something down in the same column it will go to the end of that column. This definitely isn't ideal. I had initially started implementing using my own draggable implementation but then reverted to using html5 draggable with contenteditable. I ran into some styling issues when dragging items whilst trying to remain responsive. Basically the items were styled at 90% of the column width but when you dragged them out they grew to 90% of the page and then shrunk back again when they were dropped but I was unable to hack the drag move in a way to maintain size without there being some jump in width which I didn't think looked pleasant. This could certainly go down as an issue if you would like to add it or I can add it to the repo. I'll try to keep it up and thanks again very much for the feedback, it's really appreciated!
why-el 13y ago
It's great. I used it right now as I often have things I need to remember but I can't just dumpt it in my team's Trello. I think you can go ahead and brand it as a light weight Trello for a niche that wants privacy/is lazy and just wants something quick. LocalStorage can take you miles ahead if you indeed make sure people use this as I described above. I certainly would.
- codez 13y ago
  hey why-el! Thanks for the feedback!, it's really appreciated. That's a pretty good way of summing it up, you're more than welcome to share it as that :P I am certainly going to look at adding the localStorage feature, that will certainly add a lot to tyto. Thanks again for the feedback!
- jaredstenquist 13y ago
  You can create multiple boards in trello, mixing personal and business. This means you can keep all of this stuff in the same system, but not have them appear in your Team's trello. Isn't that way simpler? That's how i do it anyway.
  - codez 13y ago
    This is something I would like to provide but whilst keeping it disconnected from a database. Integrating with google drive or the likes is what appeals to me most at the moment.
  - why-el 13y ago
    True, except that currently there is no way to silence Trello or scope notifications to one board. If I am there, I will get distracted.
    - codez 13y ago
      this is interesting to know wrt to trello. Thanks.
mhsutton 13y ago
well done on building this. Sometimes making is its own reward. Some feedback: I had no idea what it did and the opening screen about loading config etc was confusing. I would have preferred like a tour with tooltips instead. Though once you get into it and play you soon figure out what it does. As a fellow maker - I generally have really basic UI and leave menu items visible and learn from these forums what to do with them. So I suggest expanding your menu and have it always available. (like the menu animation though, could be a little faster). What problem were you trying to fix? Did you try something like Trello.com before you decided to build this? It's cool if you built it just because.
- codez 13y ago
  hey mhsutton, Thanks for the feedback, yeah I was happy to get something done that I am happy to use and share. My idea has been to create something easy enough for people to use and customize and make their own. Yeah the loading config modal seems to have thrown a couple, that was another comment that was made. Someone also suggested maybe ditching the intro modal and just letting people discover for themselves. as per the menu, thank you for that, that's been brought up and I'm thinking based on other feedback of moving the menu items into the header so you don't have to open and close it. the tab was something else I created as a UI component and I guess I just wanted to have a go at using it in real world environment. I had used trello quite some time ago but couldn't remember it and I guess the thing I like with tyto is that I don't need an account and its just a simple UI. My main thing was to implement whilst learning and brushing up on some tech using templating languages like handlebars. Thanks again for the feedback and I'll look at moving the menu.
  - lsh 13y ago
    > My idea has been to create something easy enough for people to use and customize and make their own. > ... the thing I like with tyto is that I don't need an account and its just a simple UI power to the people. I like Trello and while this is lacking features, it's already miles better because now I can fork it and self host it and others can do the same. I dislike how the web has become service orientated and wish I had more time to spend building alternatives to popular services that were Free and open source. well done! also, checklists. I would love love love to have checklists.
leokun 13y ago
Looks like one could use this as a agile style whiteboard/stickies replacement.
- codez 13y ago
  hey leokun, Thanks for the feedback! yeah that was kinda the intention and inspiration with tyto, I wanted something simple that people could use. Maybe it could work on a smartboard or something. Thanks again for the feedback, really appreciated!
edelans 13y ago
Congrats ! I like the lightweight minimalist approach. The email feature is really neat ! A reason why I tried but stoped using trello, asana or others is because I thought it was overkill for early stages, and all we needed was a todo list inside a mail, but the mail clients doesn't make it easy and practical... I agree with the feedback on the menu, and the possibility to rearrange the items in the same column.
- codez 13y ago
  hey edelans, Thanks for the feedback, minimalist and lightweight is certainly my aim. Yeah the email feature is something I am quite happy with, that came from one of my other projects where I have made a chrome browser extension for sticky notes that you can drag around a page and then email back to yourself (can be seen on my github). Yeah the menu feedback seems consistent so certainly something I am going to look into. I am wondering if I might need to implement the drag and drop slightly different to get rearranging working properly as intended but I'll take a look. Thanks again for the feedback, it's much appreciated.
heydanreeves 13y ago
Pretty cool demo. Just a little tip for op, @codez, if you apply float: right; to the menu container (.actions) the buttons will look better while sliding in/out.
- codez 13y ago
  hey heydanreeves, Thanks very much for the feedback! and thank you very much for that little tip, haha I spent a while thinking, hmm this doesn't look right, it's funny how like when you're stuck into something you can sometimes overlook simple things that are going to fix an issue. "float: right;" palms face Thanks for the feedback, it's really appreciated!
knes 13y ago
Thank you for open sourcing it, for people like me who are learning how to code it s awesome! Thanks!
- codez 13y ago
  hey knes! Thanks for the feedback, well I have used it to brush up on a few things and I've tried to write it in a way so that it's easy to pick up so I hope you find it useful. If you have any questions, suggestions or other feedback, don't hesitate to contact me. I'm more than happy to help people out. Thanks again for the feedback!
Monk_NT 13y ago
It's nice! I'm actually curious about naming it tyto. It reminds me of Josip Broz Tito (a historical figure form equally historical Yugoslavia) who, by local legends, got his nickname Tito because he would hand out tasks by pointing at it and saying "Ti, to!" (translated roughly "You, do that!").
- codez 13y ago
  hey Monk_NT! Thanks for the feedback, it's much appreciated. Well I wasn't sure what to name it but that kinda just stuck for me ha. Haha that's a good little story that I was unaware of, thanks for that! Thanks again for the feedback!
sspiff 13y ago
I love it, but is there a reason why you limit the height of the box in your demo app? I'd much rather have it use up all of my screen height, and scroll the entire page, rather than the white rectangle part like it does now.
- codez 13y ago
  hey sspiff! Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Err, I guess I just put it together with styling that worked for me. The great thing about how it's written and using less, tweaks can be made real easy so I can certainly look into making changes to it so it works in a way that fills up more screen real estate. I'll look into this, if you'd like to add it as an issue to the repo, feel free or I can add it later. Thanks again for the feedback!
  - sspiff 13y ago
    Hi, thanks for the reply! I see you already mostly fixed the issue, with the box now scaling relatively to the screen height. I'll file an issue about the scrolling behaviour.
    - codez 13y ago
      hey sspiff, yeah dustywusty submitted a pull request with some pretty good little changes in. I am actually trying to think of a way of sort of hosting discussion on the different issues but kinda struggling on a strategy with regards to how to get people to supply their input. I can use issues on github but when it comes to UI and UX design I'd love some kind of forum almost for it to show balsamiq mocks or the likes. Any idea with regards to this issue would be awesome. Thanks again for the input! it's really appreciated.
niyazpk 13y ago
I really really really wish I could take feedback as well as @codez is taking in this thread. Incredible attitude man. Congrats for launching. Good luck!
- codez 13y ago
  hey nizazpk! haha thanks very much for the compliment! I am always interested to share things and what makes it even better is when people will have some insight, suggestion, opinion or criticism that I can take on board as the more feedback, the better a piece of work can become. It really helps and I'm really amazed and grateful for the amount of feedback tyto has received. Thanks again!
bshimmin 13y ago
I had a look at the CoffeeScript source. Is there some reason why you're not using CoffeeScript's `class`? It would save you having to do all the `tyto::foo` and `tyto = this` stuff.
- codez 13y ago
  hey bshimmin! I did start out using class in coffeescript but I couldn't get it to work quite how I wanted to at the time but I was brushing up on my coffeescript and it is a really valid point and therefore I shall probably revisit this to refactor into that form. It does make sense after all. Thanks for the feedback!
loceng 13y ago
Love the little owl logo and the wing movement. Keep that.
- codez 13y ago
  hey loceng! glad you like it! it was a little thing I wanted to add so it wasn't overkill but was just there to sort of add a little something if you know what I mean. Thanks again for the feedback!
easytiger 13y ago
Blank white box for me
- codez 13y ago
  hey easytiger! I'm sorry to hear that, have you tried refreshing as some others have had this problem too it seems. Thanks for the heads up!
ehosca 13y ago
JIRA Classic Task Board https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/AGILE/Using+the+Classic+Task+Board https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/AGILE/Using+the+Cla...
sambeau 13y ago
Looks good! The one thing I'd like to see changed is that the button to create a new card is dangerously close to the button that deletes a column. Adding a card is a frequent action so deserves such a prominent spot, deleting a column is not. Perhaps you should add an 'edit column' mode where moving, creating & deleting columns is exposed: e.g. on double clicking the space around columns?
- codez 13y ago
  hey sambeau! the positioning of the new card button has been a piece of feedback that has come up a fair bit it seems and I'm really happy people have brought it up. I wasn't too happy with it's placement but wasn't sure where to put it but knew there needed to be that functionality. Hmm interesting about an edit mode for columns. Could you elaborate on this? I would have had maybe the ability to move and delete a column but adding a new one should be from the header menu no? Your opinion is very appreciated so thanks for your feedback. Thanks again!
  - sambeau 13y ago
    I'd hate to re-design your app in an off-the-cuff remark… but… hey-ho!… My thinking was that editing columns would be a rare even - you'd set your board up once and then use it with perhaps an occasional decision to add or delete a column. Your real-estate is valuable and should remain uncluttered - a UI element (be it label, icon, button) must earn it's place especially in prominent positions - the top right of a column is (in the western world) a valuable place plus each column has a limit to how many UI elements they can support before getting confusing. Thus, the decision you have to make each time you place a UI element is where are the prominent positions where UI can go? What are my most common interactions? Where can I put my less common, yet still essential, interactions? So - here the obvious thing to do is to concentrate on the cards - creating new ones, moving them from column to column, deleting them. I'd give prominence to these interactions as their buttons are the ones that will be consistently pressed. Then you are left with what to do with the ui for setting up a board. You generally have two options - chuck the UI into a lesser-used area of the scene (generally a lazy idea) or (my preferred option) add a mode. Modes get a bad rap as they are considered to be 'non-discoverable' but I find that a good mode is often a simpler solution - you get a clean slate and all your good UI positions are available for reuse. SO - a good column editing mode would involve an option to switch into a mode where you can no longer edit cards but instead manipulate the board - add/delete columns, move things around. There are various possibilities for entering the mode - the most obvious of which is a button. However you could play around with clicking the area between columns - as its a large unused target area. The downside might be that it isn't obvious what you'd have to do to discover it - the temptation then is to add instructions. Have a play - I suspect it might work.
bcoughlan 13y ago
Good job for a pet project, excited to see how it progresses over time.
- codez 13y ago
  hey bcoughlan! yeah me too! that's why I wanted to share it at this stage and see if could generate enough interest to take it much further. The more feedback generated, a better picture can be made of how far it can go and in what direction. To be honest I am just really pleased that as many people have provided feedback and shown interest as they have. It's majorly appreciated. Thanks again!
wehadfun 13y ago
This is awesome!
- codez 13y ago
  hey wehadfun! Thanks forthe feedback, much appreciated!
elwell 13y ago
Just a small suggestion: CoffeeScript recommends the use of 2 spaces for indentation (I'm seeing a tab of size 8 in your code on github).
- codez 13y ago
  hey elwell! thanks for the heads up, this has been noted and it's my fault. I use tabs constantly because I find it easier to read and I haven't been converting back or tidying up correctly so jslint will kick up a fuss as will coffee linting I would imagine. I am certainly going to look into this and see if there is some preprocessing tool that can help me and my hard coded ways haha Thanks again! I'll look to sort this out.
erict19 13y ago
Very cool
- codez 13y ago
  hey erict19! Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated
blehn 13y ago
If you like this, check out my app: http://listwerk.com http://listwerk.com I'd say it's a little more polished, though still in need of some key features, namely a mobile app.
- codez 13y ago
  hey blehn! I haven't had a good look at your app because it requires a sign up, although the home page looks good. However, as there is no demo of it in action without me poking around I can't truly make an opinion of it unless signing up etc. That's where tyto differs and that's where its charm lies. It's intention is that there is no account necessary and that the UI is simple and maybe not completely polished to most peoples tastes. The source is completely open and it's aim is that it's easy to learn the codebase and what's going on so that people are free to take it and make it into whatever they want, however they want, wherever they want. tyto is definitely going to be made mobile friendly in the future and that's a major goal to have it working responsive to device. I hope that clears it up a little. in early conception I had toyed with the idea of tyto being an acronym for 'tool you take over' for this reason. Thanks for sharing!
oso2k 13y ago
codez, for those focusing on the UI aspect, I'd say those are minor issues. If you'd like to make this more usable, add templates/examples somewhere for things like Quad Charts [1], Kanban [2], Zachman Enterprise Architecture [3], Lean Canvas [4], Business Model Canvas [5], etc. Great job! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_chart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_chart [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_board http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_board [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachman_Framework http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachman_Framework [4] http://blog.spark59.com/2012/the-different-worldviews-of-a-startup/ http://blog.spark59.com/2012/the-different-worldviews-of-a-s... [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Model_Canvas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Model_Canvas
- codez 13y ago
  hey oso2k! Thanks very much for the feedback! That's actually a pretty awesome idea to add different templates for those things. My question for that is though, how would a user choose this from a UI perspective? Would they say define in config a special template and then use that? Maybe I can come up with ways to change the current templates to work in this manner and provide them as templates that could be swapped out. Or, would you like to have something like that become available from clicking a button? I think I could do that using requireJS. Thanks again for this feedback and input! This is a really cool idea and a feature that would be pretty awesome to get implemented. Much appreciated! :)
codez 13y ago
hey all! just wanted to say to all those that have given feedback, input and insight into tyto and/or have starred, forked or started watching the repo "THANKS VERY MUCH!" All of it has been very good and so helpful with taking the project forward. I wasn't sure if people would take their time to show interest or give some insight etc. so once again it is very appreciated and thanks for your time. I will try to get changes implemented and new features and things ironed out as soon as I can and report back. THANKS AGAIN! p.s if you know of people that would be interested in getting involved or using tyto please share it with them so it can get better exposure and a wider range of feedback, insight etc.

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meowface 13y ago

I like it. Minimalist, but all the required features for a good task management app.

codez 13y ago
1 point by codez 9 minutes ago | link | edit | delete Thanks very much for the feedback! It's really appreciated. Any suggestions or the likes I am more than happy to take on board. I am just trying to get some exposure so I can see if it will gather some interest. Thanks again.

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bbx 13y ago

Very neat. I'm the kind of person who likes having everything laid out before him, i.e. I don't like organization that relies too much on depth. For example, I usually prefer prefixing my file names rather than splitting them into subfolders. It's a version 0.0.1, so here's my 2 cents: the only thing that really bothers me is the menu. The whole UI is quick and responsive, but this menu opens very slowly. The thing is, I don't think you actually need it. Why hide tools that users will probably interact with a lot? There's so much space in the header, left to the logo. Just put the buttons there and forget about the menu. You're not the only one I see making this "mistake": not appropriately using the space available, especially when there are only a few elements to show. The greatest misuse I see is dropdowns [1]. On a personal level, I hate them (because, like I said, I prefer having all my options available before my eyes). But on a more general level, dropdowns are often used for a few items only, and remove any sense of hierarchy. They're just hidden lists of frequently-used options, put on the same level of importance. To give an example related to your app: "add item" is on the same level as "email". But the former is both frequently used and non-penalizing (you can undo it easily), whereas the latter is rarely used and makes you leave the app, which might make the user lose some valuable data. [1]: http://jgthms.com/dont-use-dropdowns-for-a-few-items-only.html http://jgthms.com/dont-use-dropdowns-for-a-few-items-only.ht...

codez 13y ago
Hey bbx. Thanks very much for the feedback. Yeah the menu is a strange one, because I wasn't sure whether people would like something tucked away or something they could see but then having just icons for buttons, do you think that would communicate enough? or is it worth it for people to just have that short learning curve for what the icons do? This was my first prototype; http://jsfiddle.net/WtGYx/2/ http://jsfiddle.net/WtGYx/2/ I had icons in the header for that one. It's really great to have people to discuss this with because obviously UX is important as the goal is to make it as simple and intuitive as possible. I have to kinda agree on the dropdowns front ha. Thanks again, really appreciated.
- bbx 13y ago
  Well, I think the solution is to NOT have something tucked away (like the current menu). You have space in the header, use it! Especially for buttons that will be frequently used. And don't use icons only. Users went mad when GMail replace text-buttons with icon-buttons. [1] Just use text! Or use text with icons, but not icons only. [1]: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2473038?hl=en&ctx=mail https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2473038?hl=en&ctx=mai...
  - codez 13y ago
    Ahh ok that's really good to know, I'll take a read of that article there. How about flat buttons? Your opinion on them? Thanks again by the way, this is really helpful!

Taurenking 13y ago

Hey nice project you got there!(if you're the developer) At first it wasn't really working actually(I guess it was the config/menu thing), but after few reloads everything went smooth... This is Dope! Starred :)

codez 13y ago
Thankyou very much, it's in it's infant stages, I'm just seeing if there is any interest in it and getting some feedback. I'm more than happy to take on suggestions etc. Thanks again!
codez 13y ago
I'm actually why it didn't start up straight away for you. Do you mind me asking which browser you were using? I am currently only really playing with it in firefox and chrome but I think I have seen where you load the page and nothing happens but when you refresh it arrives so to speak ha.
- damon_c 13y ago
  I had that same issue with Safari on Mac. One refresh did the trick.
  - codez 13y ago
    Yeah this is strange, I am going to look into this and maybe if the intro modal disappears then this bug may disappear too hopefully. Thanks again for your feedback, it's much appreciated!

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quarterto 13y ago

Please don't take the this the wrong way, usability is hard and hey, you actually built something, which can be a goal in and of itself, but: please go read a book on usability. Designed for Use by Lukas Mathis [1] is a great introduction. The first few things that stood out for me: • It's my first time seeing the page, I want to know what it is. I definitely don't want to load a config. The default config should be the first thing the user sees, as it does a reasonable job of explaining the concepts. • The button for adding a card is tiny and far away for where the cards get added. • The menu being hidden by default means its items are not at all discoverable. It could still be collapsible, but open by default if you want users to actually use it. • Pressing ESC in the initial modal ends up in an irreversibly (without refresh) broken state. • The only way to save appears to be exporting a JSON file. You should look into LocalStorage or IndexedDB as a way to autosave so the user doesn't lose their content by inadvertently closing the tab, navigating or refreshing. • Deleting a column is instant and irreversible. You should have confirmation, or, even better, undo. I'm guessing you've built this to fulfil a personal niche, so kudos for getting it built. God knows I never finish anything I build for myself. [1] http://pragprog.com/book/lmuse/designed-for-use http://pragprog.com/book/lmuse/designed-for-use (or if you google hard enough there are ahem totally legit free PDFs)

zupa-hu 13y ago
thx for the book advice :)
codez 13y ago
Don't worry I won't take it the wrong way. I am looking for criticism, suggestions and feedback. This was a personal project and a tool I kinda build for myself but then people showed some interest in it and made little suggestions here and there but it has never had a wider audience which is why it's here. I will certainly look into that book for an xmas gift for myself :) 1. if I load the default config as standard, do you think that that is enough? or should there be some modal still introducing it in some way? 2. how would you tackle this? I have it in the menu as well but I wanted the ability to add a card to a particular column without using dropdowns etc. hence the icon on the column. 3. another user has suggested scrapping the menu altogether and I think this is something I will do and move to icons in the header. 4.Wow, thanks for pointing that out. This may be a bug with twitter bootstrap then as I am using their modal as I didn't want to spend time writing my own for a first iteration. 5.Cool, I will take a look at them, I haven't been too sure on save options. The initial idea was that developers wanted to save something they could then send to a PM who could load the same thing make changes and maybe send back. 6. There is a confirmation if the column is not empty, you should be asked if you wish to do so and that all cards will be lost. Yeah it was built as a personal thing, I was using post it notes a lot and then I changed desk and had no post it notes or I would lost a post it with a load of things on, simple things like hex colors for some css or ring this person and it kinda went from there. I really appreciate the feedback so thank you very much for your time to give me it and thanks for the link to the book to, I will certainly look at checking that out. Thanks again!

onion2k 13y ago

Serialising the config json object to localStorage and pulling it back out again on a reload would be useful.

codez 13y ago
Hey onion2k, Thanks very much for the feedback. I will look into using localStorage, this has also been mentioned in another comment. Have you experience with this yourself? I'll have a google around, are there any drawback with that approach you can think of? Thanks again for the feedback, it's really appreciated!
- onion2k 13y ago
  Yes, I've used localStorage. It's supported well across all the main browsers, it's reasonably quick, and it'll store more than enough data for your app. It's really just a case of doing (assuming you include JSON2.js); var ls = window.localStorage; var config = JSON.parse(ls.getItem('config')); //load the config ls.setItem('config', JSON.stringify(config)); //save the config That's pretty much it. You'll need to protect against the config not being there, but that's just a matter of using a default empty object if config is null.
  - codez 13y ago
    Thanks a lot for this, it's really helpful to get an idea of how this would be used. How would you suggest this is used then? People have the option to save a file or to localStorage? Or should it just do it in the background without people knowing or maybe it's set as a config option? You opinion on this is really appreciated so thanks again!
    - onion2k 13y ago
      In a few things I've made that use it I do it in the background so state is maintained between sessions (load the data during initialisation, save it on any state change). It's important to inform the user that it's storing things locally, and include a UI element that allows the user to clear all the data easily, and possibly let users switch storage off (for shared computers). I use it in mobile things so that's not really a problem for me.

jalada 13y ago

Sometimes the page loads just blank, with no modal. Can't get it to do it now but it happened on my first load.

codez 13y ago
Hey jalada, Yeah I had this issue once or twice when developing it but I made the assumption that maybe grunt-watch wasn't catching up or something but someone else has said the same thing. Do you mind me asking which browser you are using? I developed it using firefox and chrome. Another user has suggested maybe (if my interpretation is correct) getting rid of the intro modal completely which would solve this problem. I really appreciate the feedback so thank you for commenting.
- jalada 13y ago
  I was using Firefox when it happened :) Good work!
  - codez 13y ago
    Thanks for that. I am certainly going to see if I can tackle that issue. Thanks again :)
    - gavinpc 13y ago
      The screen is also blank (forever) if you have cookies blocked. This is so common that I guess very few people whitelist cookies. Still, I thought you might want to know.
      - codez 13y ago
        hey gavinpc Thanks for the heads up! will certainly keep that in mind.
kps 13y ago
Same for me, using Firefox 26, on the first few loads, but thereafter it seems to work consistently. In Safari 5.0.5, dragging doesn't work.

Kiro 13y ago

So basically it's a lightweight version of Trello? Seems great anyway and I will probably try it out for my next project.

codez 13y ago
Hey Kiro, Thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated. Ah yes trello! I was having trouble remembering that name. It's been a couple of years since I briefly used that. Has it always required a sign in off the top of your head? My goal wasn't a lightweight trello but to be compared to is a great compliment so thank you very much and many thanks for the feedback. If you do try out tyto, please let me know how it goes for you, I'd be very happy to take on board any suggestions or feedback you have from using it. Thanks again!

bukka 13y ago

How would this compete with Trello?

codez 13y ago
Hey bukka, That's not the intention with tyto. tyto has come out of a common problem with managing and organising things for me personally and colleagues past and present, and my wanting to see if I could implement my own tool for tackling that issue. The codebase is meant to be easy to read so that people can easily take it away and make it their own.

zytek 13y ago

Does now work on Firefox 19 (yeah, I know..). The popup does not display. Only blank board.

codez 13y ago
Hey zytek, Thanks for the feedback! Hmm have you tried refreshing the page? This does seem to be an issue currently. Otherwise maybe there is an issue with requireJS or bootstrap modal. Thanks again for the feedback!

sekasi 13y ago

Very nice. As mentioned below, it shouts for a UX/ExD review, but I'm impressed nonetheless.

codez 13y ago
Hey sekasi, Thank you very much for the feedback! It's in it's infant stage and I am certainly embracing the UX comments, they are very appreciated. Plenty for me to make changes to and put back out there. So, any suggestions are very welcome. Thanks again for the feedback!

bromagosa 13y ago

I like it, my local Trello! :) Just one small suggestion, it'd be nice if columns were draggable as well.

codez 13y ago
Hey bromagosa! I do take a massive compliment when people are mentioning Trello :) Using it locally allows you to do whatever you want with it too! ... columns draggable... Now why didn't I think of that?! That's a really good idea, thanks! I can certainly look into that as a feature to add, that would be pretty cool. I would probably need to play around with that a bit as I can see there certainly being some behavioural issues when implementing that but I'd imagine it to certainly be doable. Thanks again for the feedback! it's really appreciated.

sidcool 13y ago

Looks like Trello.

codez 13y ago
Hey sidcool, Thanks for the feedback. That isn't the intention with tyto but people do seem to be bringing up trello. Thanks again!
- sidcool 13y ago
  I wasn't trying to sound condescending. It's a very well made application. Thanks for your efforts!
  - codez 13y ago
    Oh no sorry, I didn't take it that way at all so no worries. Thanks again for your feedback, it's really appreciated. Feedback for tyto has been great.

darklegend 13y ago

Nice little project. I'm not quite sure if it's a bug or if I just can't figure out how it works correctly: Drag and Drop of entries. Whenever i drag something it seems to be push to the bottom. I think it would be better if I could freely rearrange the items. E.g. from position 2 to position 4. Keep the good work :-)

codez 13y ago
hey darklegend! Thanks very much for the feedback, it's really appreciated. Hmm yeah that would seem to be the ideal behaviour for sure. I just gave it a go and it seems you can rearrange downwards but not upwards and also not as you would wish. So if you drag something down in the same column it will go to the end of that column. This definitely isn't ideal. I had initially started implementing using my own draggable implementation but then reverted to using html5 draggable with contenteditable. I ran into some styling issues when dragging items whilst trying to remain responsive. Basically the items were styled at 90% of the column width but when you dragged them out they grew to 90% of the page and then shrunk back again when they were dropped but I was unable to hack the drag move in a way to maintain size without there being some jump in width which I didn't think looked pleasant. This could certainly go down as an issue if you would like to add it or I can add it to the repo. I'll try to keep it up and thanks again very much for the feedback, it's really appreciated!

why-el 13y ago

It's great. I used it right now as I often have things I need to remember but I can't just dumpt it in my team's Trello. I think you can go ahead and brand it as a light weight Trello for a niche that wants privacy/is lazy and just wants something quick. LocalStorage can take you miles ahead if you indeed make sure people use this as I described above. I certainly would.

codez 13y ago
hey why-el! Thanks for the feedback!, it's really appreciated. That's a pretty good way of summing it up, you're more than welcome to share it as that :P I am certainly going to look at adding the localStorage feature, that will certainly add a lot to tyto. Thanks again for the feedback!
jaredstenquist 13y ago
You can create multiple boards in trello, mixing personal and business. This means you can keep all of this stuff in the same system, but not have them appear in your Team's trello. Isn't that way simpler? That's how i do it anyway.
- codez 13y ago
  This is something I would like to provide but whilst keeping it disconnected from a database. Integrating with google drive or the likes is what appeals to me most at the moment.
- why-el 13y ago
  True, except that currently there is no way to silence Trello or scope notifications to one board. If I am there, I will get distracted.
  - codez 13y ago
    this is interesting to know wrt to trello. Thanks.

mhsutton 13y ago

well done on building this. Sometimes making is its own reward. Some feedback: I had no idea what it did and the opening screen about loading config etc was confusing. I would have preferred like a tour with tooltips instead. Though once you get into it and play you soon figure out what it does. As a fellow maker - I generally have really basic UI and leave menu items visible and learn from these forums what to do with them. So I suggest expanding your menu and have it always available. (like the menu animation though, could be a little faster). What problem were you trying to fix? Did you try something like Trello.com before you decided to build this? It's cool if you built it just because.

codez 13y ago
hey mhsutton, Thanks for the feedback, yeah I was happy to get something done that I am happy to use and share. My idea has been to create something easy enough for people to use and customize and make their own. Yeah the loading config modal seems to have thrown a couple, that was another comment that was made. Someone also suggested maybe ditching the intro modal and just letting people discover for themselves. as per the menu, thank you for that, that's been brought up and I'm thinking based on other feedback of moving the menu items into the header so you don't have to open and close it. the tab was something else I created as a UI component and I guess I just wanted to have a go at using it in real world environment. I had used trello quite some time ago but couldn't remember it and I guess the thing I like with tyto is that I don't need an account and its just a simple UI. My main thing was to implement whilst learning and brushing up on some tech using templating languages like handlebars. Thanks again for the feedback and I'll look at moving the menu.
- lsh 13y ago
  > My idea has been to create something easy enough for people to use and customize and make their own. > ... the thing I like with tyto is that I don't need an account and its just a simple UI power to the people. I like Trello and while this is lacking features, it's already miles better because now I can fork it and self host it and others can do the same. I dislike how the web has become service orientated and wish I had more time to spend building alternatives to popular services that were Free and open source. well done! also, checklists. I would love love love to have checklists.

leokun 13y ago

Looks like one could use this as a agile style whiteboard/stickies replacement.

codez 13y ago
hey leokun, Thanks for the feedback! yeah that was kinda the intention and inspiration with tyto, I wanted something simple that people could use. Maybe it could work on a smartboard or something. Thanks again for the feedback, really appreciated!

edelans 13y ago

Congrats ! I like the lightweight minimalist approach. The email feature is really neat ! A reason why I tried but stoped using trello, asana or others is because I thought it was overkill for early stages, and all we needed was a todo list inside a mail, but the mail clients doesn't make it easy and practical... I agree with the feedback on the menu, and the possibility to rearrange the items in the same column.

codez 13y ago
hey edelans, Thanks for the feedback, minimalist and lightweight is certainly my aim. Yeah the email feature is something I am quite happy with, that came from one of my other projects where I have made a chrome browser extension for sticky notes that you can drag around a page and then email back to yourself (can be seen on my github). Yeah the menu feedback seems consistent so certainly something I am going to look into. I am wondering if I might need to implement the drag and drop slightly different to get rearranging working properly as intended but I'll take a look. Thanks again for the feedback, it's much appreciated.

heydanreeves 13y ago

Pretty cool demo. Just a little tip for op, @codez, if you apply float: right; to the menu container (.actions) the buttons will look better while sliding in/out.

codez 13y ago
hey heydanreeves, Thanks very much for the feedback! and thank you very much for that little tip, haha I spent a while thinking, hmm this doesn't look right, it's funny how like when you're stuck into something you can sometimes overlook simple things that are going to fix an issue. "float: right;" palms face Thanks for the feedback, it's really appreciated!

knes 13y ago

Thank you for open sourcing it, for people like me who are learning how to code it s awesome! Thanks!

codez 13y ago
hey knes! Thanks for the feedback, well I have used it to brush up on a few things and I've tried to write it in a way so that it's easy to pick up so I hope you find it useful. If you have any questions, suggestions or other feedback, don't hesitate to contact me. I'm more than happy to help people out. Thanks again for the feedback!

Monk_NT 13y ago

It's nice! I'm actually curious about naming it tyto. It reminds me of Josip Broz Tito (a historical figure form equally historical Yugoslavia) who, by local legends, got his nickname Tito because he would hand out tasks by pointing at it and saying "Ti, to!" (translated roughly "You, do that!").

codez 13y ago
hey Monk_NT! Thanks for the feedback, it's much appreciated. Well I wasn't sure what to name it but that kinda just stuck for me ha. Haha that's a good little story that I was unaware of, thanks for that! Thanks again for the feedback!

sspiff 13y ago

I love it, but is there a reason why you limit the height of the box in your demo app? I'd much rather have it use up all of my screen height, and scroll the entire page, rather than the white rectangle part like it does now.

codez 13y ago
hey sspiff! Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Err, I guess I just put it together with styling that worked for me. The great thing about how it's written and using less, tweaks can be made real easy so I can certainly look into making changes to it so it works in a way that fills up more screen real estate. I'll look into this, if you'd like to add it as an issue to the repo, feel free or I can add it later. Thanks again for the feedback!
- sspiff 13y ago
  Hi, thanks for the reply! I see you already mostly fixed the issue, with the box now scaling relatively to the screen height. I'll file an issue about the scrolling behaviour.
  - codez 13y ago
    hey sspiff, yeah dustywusty submitted a pull request with some pretty good little changes in. I am actually trying to think of a way of sort of hosting discussion on the different issues but kinda struggling on a strategy with regards to how to get people to supply their input. I can use issues on github but when it comes to UI and UX design I'd love some kind of forum almost for it to show balsamiq mocks or the likes. Any idea with regards to this issue would be awesome. Thanks again for the input! it's really appreciated.

niyazpk 13y ago

I really really really wish I could take feedback as well as @codez is taking in this thread. Incredible attitude man. Congrats for launching. Good luck!

codez 13y ago
hey nizazpk! haha thanks very much for the compliment! I am always interested to share things and what makes it even better is when people will have some insight, suggestion, opinion or criticism that I can take on board as the more feedback, the better a piece of work can become. It really helps and I'm really amazed and grateful for the amount of feedback tyto has received. Thanks again!

bshimmin 13y ago

I had a look at the CoffeeScript source. Is there some reason why you're not using CoffeeScript's `class`? It would save you having to do all the `tyto::foo` and `tyto = this` stuff.

codez 13y ago
hey bshimmin! I did start out using class in coffeescript but I couldn't get it to work quite how I wanted to at the time but I was brushing up on my coffeescript and it is a really valid point and therefore I shall probably revisit this to refactor into that form. It does make sense after all. Thanks for the feedback!

loceng 13y ago

Love the little owl logo and the wing movement. Keep that.

codez 13y ago
hey loceng! glad you like it! it was a little thing I wanted to add so it wasn't overkill but was just there to sort of add a little something if you know what I mean. Thanks again for the feedback!

easytiger 13y ago

Blank white box for me

codez 13y ago
hey easytiger! I'm sorry to hear that, have you tried refreshing as some others have had this problem too it seems. Thanks for the heads up!

ehosca 13y ago

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sambeau 13y ago

Looks good! The one thing I'd like to see changed is that the button to create a new card is dangerously close to the button that deletes a column. Adding a card is a frequent action so deserves such a prominent spot, deleting a column is not. Perhaps you should add an 'edit column' mode where moving, creating & deleting columns is exposed: e.g. on double clicking the space around columns?

codez 13y ago
hey sambeau! the positioning of the new card button has been a piece of feedback that has come up a fair bit it seems and I'm really happy people have brought it up. I wasn't too happy with it's placement but wasn't sure where to put it but knew there needed to be that functionality. Hmm interesting about an edit mode for columns. Could you elaborate on this? I would have had maybe the ability to move and delete a column but adding a new one should be from the header menu no? Your opinion is very appreciated so thanks for your feedback. Thanks again!
- sambeau 13y ago
  I'd hate to re-design your app in an off-the-cuff remark… but… hey-ho!… My thinking was that editing columns would be a rare even - you'd set your board up once and then use it with perhaps an occasional decision to add or delete a column. Your real-estate is valuable and should remain uncluttered - a UI element (be it label, icon, button) must earn it's place especially in prominent positions - the top right of a column is (in the western world) a valuable place plus each column has a limit to how many UI elements they can support before getting confusing. Thus, the decision you have to make each time you place a UI element is where are the prominent positions where UI can go? What are my most common interactions? Where can I put my less common, yet still essential, interactions? So - here the obvious thing to do is to concentrate on the cards - creating new ones, moving them from column to column, deleting them. I'd give prominence to these interactions as their buttons are the ones that will be consistently pressed. Then you are left with what to do with the ui for setting up a board. You generally have two options - chuck the UI into a lesser-used area of the scene (generally a lazy idea) or (my preferred option) add a mode. Modes get a bad rap as they are considered to be 'non-discoverable' but I find that a good mode is often a simpler solution - you get a clean slate and all your good UI positions are available for reuse. SO - a good column editing mode would involve an option to switch into a mode where you can no longer edit cards but instead manipulate the board - add/delete columns, move things around. There are various possibilities for entering the mode - the most obvious of which is a button. However you could play around with clicking the area between columns - as its a large unused target area. The downside might be that it isn't obvious what you'd have to do to discover it - the temptation then is to add instructions. Have a play - I suspect it might work.

bcoughlan 13y ago

Good job for a pet project, excited to see how it progresses over time.

codez 13y ago
hey bcoughlan! yeah me too! that's why I wanted to share it at this stage and see if could generate enough interest to take it much further. The more feedback generated, a better picture can be made of how far it can go and in what direction. To be honest I am just really pleased that as many people have provided feedback and shown interest as they have. It's majorly appreciated. Thanks again!

wehadfun 13y ago

This is awesome!

codez 13y ago
hey wehadfun! Thanks forthe feedback, much appreciated!

elwell 13y ago

Just a small suggestion: CoffeeScript recommends the use of 2 spaces for indentation (I'm seeing a tab of size 8 in your code on github).

codez 13y ago
hey elwell! thanks for the heads up, this has been noted and it's my fault. I use tabs constantly because I find it easier to read and I haven't been converting back or tidying up correctly so jslint will kick up a fuss as will coffee linting I would imagine. I am certainly going to look into this and see if there is some preprocessing tool that can help me and my hard coded ways haha Thanks again! I'll look to sort this out.

erict19 13y ago

Very cool

codez 13y ago
hey erict19! Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated

blehn 13y ago

If you like this, check out my app: http://listwerk.com http://listwerk.com I'd say it's a little more polished, though still in need of some key features, namely a mobile app.

codez 13y ago
hey blehn! I haven't had a good look at your app because it requires a sign up, although the home page looks good. However, as there is no demo of it in action without me poking around I can't truly make an opinion of it unless signing up etc. That's where tyto differs and that's where its charm lies. It's intention is that there is no account necessary and that the UI is simple and maybe not completely polished to most peoples tastes. The source is completely open and it's aim is that it's easy to learn the codebase and what's going on so that people are free to take it and make it into whatever they want, however they want, wherever they want. tyto is definitely going to be made mobile friendly in the future and that's a major goal to have it working responsive to device. I hope that clears it up a little. in early conception I had toyed with the idea of tyto being an acronym for 'tool you take over' for this reason. Thanks for sharing!

oso2k 13y ago

codez, for those focusing on the UI aspect, I'd say those are minor issues. If you'd like to make this more usable, add templates/examples somewhere for things like Quad Charts [1], Kanban [2], Zachman Enterprise Architecture [3], Lean Canvas [4], Business Model Canvas [5], etc. Great job! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_chart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_chart [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_board http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_board [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachman_Framework http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachman_Framework [4] http://blog.spark59.com/2012/the-different-worldviews-of-a-startup/ http://blog.spark59.com/2012/the-different-worldviews-of-a-s... [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Model_Canvas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Model_Canvas

codez 13y ago
hey oso2k! Thanks very much for the feedback! That's actually a pretty awesome idea to add different templates for those things. My question for that is though, how would a user choose this from a UI perspective? Would they say define in config a special template and then use that? Maybe I can come up with ways to change the current templates to work in this manner and provide them as templates that could be swapped out. Or, would you like to have something like that become available from clicking a button? I think I could do that using requireJS. Thanks again for this feedback and input! This is a really cool idea and a feature that would be pretty awesome to get implemented. Much appreciated! :)

codez 13y ago

hey all! just wanted to say to all those that have given feedback, input and insight into tyto and/or have starred, forked or started watching the repo "THANKS VERY MUCH!" All of it has been very good and so helpful with taking the project forward. I wasn't sure if people would take their time to show interest or give some insight etc. so once again it is very appreciated and thanks for your time. I will try to get changes implemented and new features and things ironed out as soon as I can and report back. THANKS AGAIN! p.s if you know of people that would be interested in getting involved or using tyto please share it with them so it can get better exposure and a wider range of feedback, insight etc.